Whose to truly blame for our suffering on earth..... Adam or Eve?
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jesus, he came up with the idea of free will in the first place.\nbut then again, we did go along with his idea, soo, WE ALL ARE! it was our choice in heaven. i mean, we coulda went with the "non-free will, totalitarianism" idea that lucifer had, but what fun would that of been?
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Yes we are to blame, whether you believe in God or not, we still have the capacity to make decisions, and depending on the answers we give, the solutions we use, or the actions we take. Our contributions either have a positive effect or negative effect on others. The Bible (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) gives us guidlines that show us how to help and care for one another. Again whether one believes in God or not, we know that murder is wrong, we know that stealing is wrong, we know that doing these things will cause someone to suffer. So if we know these things will cause someone else to suffer and we still do them how can we blame God? Especially if you don't believe in him?
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I dont see why someone cant believe in both perhaps there were people walking the earth before "God" created "adam and eve" we finally evolved to a stage where he could step in and say this is wrong this is right. We know from DNA there was more then one male some men dont have the dna that leads back to one male human. Woohoo discovery channel.
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The stories in the bible are meant to be taken out of context in my opinion. The story of Genesis goes something like this. Adam and Eve were man and woman... Both knew no evil. They enjoyed the light from each others souls. Each of thier thoughts helped the other to grow and prosper. One day a "serpent", or a cheat,  someone that didn't believe in the way god saw things. Came forward and while adam was away playing the serpent convinced Eve that she should do the exact thing that both adam and God told her not to do. She was run by her emotions and the facts of her life had meaning that she couldn't understand. She was convinced/baited into eating things of which she had no knowledge. When adam came back he saw that she was changed. He was curious and his lack of wisdom in his judgements caused him to eat of the knowledge of good and evil. They both gained knowledge but at the cost of living in paradise. The suffering that arised was not from Satan but what Satan knew would happen. They would see each other for what each other were. And that would escalate into more and more questions. When the fact is that they both had all the answers that they needed. It was people's greed and curiousity that allowed this to happen. Naivety can sometimes seem evil to someone that doesn't understand things on a bigger scale. If such a paradise existed in the meaning of the garden of eden then knowledge and understanding were the things that brought it crumbling down. Knowledge is power, power corrupts, so knowledge is the root of all evil. Eve was just a scapegoat. She was blamed for her naivety to believe in someone other than god himself. As for child birth, we are all sinners, it is suffering that we must go through to continue to survive. If we saw an end to child birth then we would see an and to humanity. Please also take into note that women have, since the days of homo-erectus, been the bearers of children and the protecters of the home. The men of that age were the hunters and gatherers. We have come a long, long way from that nomadic life. But the pain of child birth still remains something to be winced at. Women were never known to be what they are today. Intelligent contributing members to society. Why even 50 years ago they couldn't even vote. Women still have no rights around the world today. Men blame them for being weak back then and still blame them for it today. Women will never get thier share of the fair slive of the pie until they become the dominant ones. But men train thier boys to be dominant and thier girls to be subservient. Women train thier boys to be caring and thier girls to fight strong. So it's a matter of who's lessons are being learned and who's are being dismissed. I know I looked to my father for the real answers and my mother for the emotion ones. Because even as a child I knew thier strengths and weaknesses. If I had asked my mother for her strength and my father for his emotions then I would be gay or a complete idiot. Yes that does sound condescening but I know that to be the truth of the matter. \nWell to sum it up, I would have to say that women have always suffered the wrath of men. We just have to wait for the natural order of things to fall into place before women will be able to become the dominant species. Think about the amazon culture. (the fairy tale version) And some of us see the reality of what could be. I would reccomend reading Genesis and taking in the subtler nuances. Take all the stories from the bible and apply them to your own life. You may find that alot more of the stories make sense. But you may also find that the very knowledge you seek will hold you back from finding your eden. We all suffer the pains of knowing the truth. Those of us that don't, already live in eden and, merely wonder why everyone else left. I hope this answers some of your questions and helps to ease the sight of the suffering you witness. Bathe in the light of y
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All I can offer is my own two cents from my study. (clink, clink)\n\nBefore looking at Cain and Able, we need to look at Adam and Eve's last time in the Garden before having to leave. They had already sinned before God and was punished (the ground cursed and pain in child birth). As hard as it is to believe, Adam and Eve's sins were paid for - therefore there is no "original sin" - but that's another post!\n\nBefore getting kicked out of the Garden, God made garments of skins and clothed them. Why? As we can see in later parts of scripture, God perfers animal sacrifice because of the blood. The blood "pays" for the sins of the offerer. That's why God gave them garmetns of skins - He had shown them what was the offering that He wanted - animal.\n\nAdam then taught this to his sons Cain and Able. For Able it was easier since he already took care of the flock. Cain knew God accepted only animal offerings, but pride got in the way. Instead of going to his brother and trading a lamb for some harvest goods, Cain decided to simply offer up his goods instead of a lamb.\n\nAll Cain had to do was humble himself and ask to trade a lamb for some grain with his brother. But he was jealous that Able had it easy because he overlooked the flock.\n\nSo when Cain offered up his harvest to God, He refused it. Instead of realizing his mistake and doing something to fix it, he got angry. God then asked him what was wrong, that if he did the right thing, he would be a happier person. But Cain let anger fester in his heart until he murdered his brother.\n\nThis is a fine example of how people rather do their own thing than obey the rules God has given us for better living.
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Yes she was, regardless what so called enlightened people say about Lilith. Eve means, "Mother of all living." All living what? After her kind, Humans, of course. Genesis means "Beginning" it shows the beginning of humans, first sin, first murder and so forth. Don't be led astray by "Gnostic" ideas. Pray for God's guidance.
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I agree with you 100% cassandra.  People continue to disregard God, and this is a pattern.  In the third chapter of Genesis we read the account of Adam And Eve's disregard for God's commands, and the fact that it resulted in the birth of sin and death.  We are descendants of these two people and some of us continue on in their footsteps.  I think that this is an intelligent observation on your part.  If you read on in your bible, at 2 timothy 2 :19, you will see that there is hope that God recognizes those that belong to him.  Psalms 37:11, goes on to tell us that one day the earth will be inhabited by those that share your opinion.  I don't consider your observation to be Pious Bilge, but on the contrary, it shows that you DO have regard for God, and that is to be commended.
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No, Eve was not created with Adam.  There is the legend of Lilith, the first woman, she refused to do what Adam told her and she flew off to eventually marry Salathiel (an Angel gone bad) and they had some hellashish creature babies.  OOOOOO now the Christians are gonna jump me, they ought to check out how many of each kind of animal was on the ark, and who really killed Goliath, and were did the Sons of Anak come from if all the giants died in the flood.  Just a few inconsistencies in that great book.  But I believe in what is right, my own version, and if their versions every denomination can be "the way," then so can mine, but only for me!  Thanks man, this was fun.
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We were not created by chance.  God was lonely and need companionship so he created Adam.  The rest of us descend from Adam and Eve.
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Your question got me thinking, but it's impossible to answer. To be safe (even though I'm not a Fundamentalist Christian) I'll say Eve who, along with her partner-in-crime Adam, started the whole notion of "corruption."\n\nI know it's a pretty lame answer, but I can't wait to read some others!
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I think that Adam and Eve represent a new beginning in Human-kind.  This next part is kinda nuts but i think it happened.  I think that Aliens landed around or in the city of Babylon, which is the place thought to be where the garden of Eden was located.  Anyways the aliens mated with the more ape like homo-sapiens of that time.  Adam and Eve where the children of this relationship.  Maybe this is the reason for the "Missing Link" in the evolution of man. Just a theory, i usually don't bring up because Christians get really upset about that idea.
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no, blame none but satan, without him eve would never have been tempted
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Adam and Eve were supposed to be perfect humans. They sinned blah blah. There is a scripture that says that God made the earth to time indefenit. So it all depends what your beliefs are. I believe God's purpose is to rid the world of evil and let humans reach that perfect state with out the evil influence. Then and there can we be tested as perfect humans and prove our loyalty to God in this world as Adam and Eve were tested. Good times!~
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If the Adam & Eve story was literally true, the biblical God is the most evil entity imaginable.\n\nHe allegedly placed the entire fate of mankind on the shoulders of what were intellectually the same as infants.\n\nIt is comparable to giving a baby the button to detonate a nuclear bomb and then blaming him for pushing it. And, then claiming you told him no as your excuse for giving him the button.\n\nAdditionally, the biblical God did not only just give the babies the button, he sent a child molestor into the room with them to taunt them into pushing the button.
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Maybe Adam and eve were not the only people. Outside of garden eden there were other people. Dont forget alot of the ancient information was taken out of bible, so maybe we are missing information.
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The Bible does not say if Adam and Eve were forgiven of their sin. In the book of Hebrews chapter 11 a list of people of faith are given. Adam and eve are not in that list but their son Abel is.
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If you buy into Judeo-Christian mythology, God is the author of free will.  Satan is not a creator, but a perverter, and thus could not give to Adam and Eve an inherent quality that they did not already possess.