Jesus had to feel HOMOSEXUAL URGES to be perfect...right?
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Interesting question.\n\nYes, to be truly human, Christ experienced TEMPTATION. But temptation doesn't have to come in 38 flavors and colors, it just has to be temptation. For example, Satan tempted Christ with power (all this can be yours), and tempted him to tempt God (jump down and let God save you)--these were temptations documented in the Bible. And he was probably tempted in the end ("Let this cup pass from me") to not go through with being crucified, but he prayed "let it be Thy will" --in other words, Christ was tempted but resisted the human feeling to avoid the horrible fate on the Cross.\n\nSo it isn't necessary to experience EVERY temptation, just some of them, because temptation is temptation, no matter if it's your neighbor's wife, ox, your neighbor himself or being tempted to rule the Earth. \n\nIn the same vein, SIN is sin, whether it's stealing penny candy or murdering someone. Since God is perfect, and we are not, we have to be forgiven of sin to come in His presence (hence the quote in the Bible that the best of our deeds is as "dirty rags" to God, who is perfect.) Who among us is perfect? No one. We all do wrong, and that is why we have to confess our sins to the Lord and ask for forgiveness. It all makes sense if you think about it.\n\nChrist was our  Redeemer, paying with his blood for all of our sins. He was the perfect Sacrifice, standing in our place because we are humans who sin and cannot follow God's law perfectly.  But if we ask for God's forgiveness and believe in Christ, we are offered eternal life with God (John 3:16) which says\n"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life."
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Jesus stated You must  be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.  Did Jesus mean you won't make mistakes?  No! Just as Jesus is the son of God we all people on the earth are to be Sons and Daughters of God by perfecting our own physical and spiritual body. Human beings are meant to be Co-creators with God in the sense that God creates the environment for man and mans responsibility is to complete himself by controlling his mind and body.  Mind is subject and body is object.  Your mind or conscience, where God and the spirit world can communicate to you through prayer and meditation and should guide your body to do only good. However because the Fall of Man occurred man is in a state of separation from God and man's conscience is not able to hear Gods message and can be influenced by evil spirits. \nMan's True position as Son and Daughters of God was lost due to the fall.  The fall was not an eating of fruit but and elicit sexual encounter between Adam and Eve. This is why God sent the Messiah.  By uniting with the Messiah and following his word then Mankind could be elevated to receive Gods forgiveness for the Fall which has been passed down through history and take his rightful position as Sons and Daughters of God. In this state of oneness with God Man would love God so much that Man would be unable to commit and evil act.  Man would then live in the Kingdom of Heaven on earth and when man died would pass to the Kingdom of Heaven in the spirit world. Just as man has a heart.  God also can be heartbroken. In the Bible it explains several passages how Gods heart was hurt to see Man in his fallen state.  .
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If we'd been able to make ourselves perfect without Christ's ransom sacrifice, there would have been no reason for either Christ or his Father to suffer it!  Of course, no human alive is perfect.  So -- without the sacrifice of Jesus -- we'd have no hope.  So, out of love for us, they both made the ultimate sacrifice.  ...  If you'd like to know more about how I feel on this subject, a favorite article of mine on the  subject is: \n\nHow to Make Real Friends : \n .. We All Need Friends \n .... Satisfying Our Hunger for Friendship \n ...... Good Friends - Bad Friends \n ........ A Note to Parents\nhttp://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/12/8/article_01.htm\n\nI agree with everything it says -- Wholeheartedly -- including the part about whether or not we should expect perfection in others!
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God gives us human desires but we are told to keep them in check.  We may have a desire to have multiple partners but we are warned against that.  We may have a desire to get high all the time, but we are warned against that as well.  We may have a desire to be attracted to the same sex.  But we are warned agaisnt acting on those desires.  \n\nSo it doesnt really matter to me whether they were born that way are not, they should not act on those desires.  They may not be able to help how they feel but they can control how they act.
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+    :)\nA Christian in Rebellion!\n\nChristians are forgiven sinners.\nNo better and sometimes worse than others..\nI am or have been attracted to other sins just as strongly as you are now attracted to the man you say you love.\nLove (AGAPE) by the way is not sexual, lust (EROS) is.\nIf your love for this man does not lead you into fornication (in thought or deed) then It's not sin.\nIf you mean you feel lust for this person you should resist it.\nBeing a Christian means Making Jesus the Christ, the Lord of your life. \nJesus loves you and all homosexuals as much as he loves anyone else.  He died for all of us.\nIf you love him you will keep his commandments.\n\nNo amount of approval from others on this site can change what you must do to please him.
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Ah, I see you had David in mind as the purest.  I was thinking, Adam, inasmuch as, before he sinned, he was the purest man.  Scriptures indicate that Joseph overcame this temptation for two primary reasons:  he understood the principle which led to the law that came later (the law against adultery/fornication) and he understood and put into action the need to IMMEDIATELY flee from fornication.  David failed in this respect.  Instead, he allowed desire for Bathsheba to grow and take root in his heart.  Jeremiah says the heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate.  David's heart became desperate and led to his greed (desire out of control).  [A shame, really.  If David was feeling a little, shall we say, anxious, he already had a few wives who could have satisfied his desire.]  Joseph fled the scene before such a thing could develop in his heart.
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He had everything to gain.  He was a shunned child growing up for being an illegitimate child.  This childhood abuse caused serious psychological problems.  He craved attention, and when he got it, it was never enough.  When the attention stopped making him feel better he began craving pain.  That is why (which we've recently found out in the Judas writings) he asked his good friend Judas to turn him in.  Jesus wanted to be punished on the cross.  He made that crown of thorns himself to prove to himself that he can still feel.
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yes, jesus was a perfect man, and he didnt do anything wrong.  pilate didnt want to condemn jesus, but he did because the  people were telling him to.  in a way, he fell into peer pressure.  However, in order for us to be saved, Jesus had to die on the cross, so even though Pilate sinned, it was in God's plan for Jesus's death.
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I feel that we are all created by God to be what we will be. God made homos just as he did heteros. And for those who don't believe that... me and my queens will be waiting to make you over at the pearly gates. I mean really , heaven without gays, I can't even imagine it. But I have a very liberal, lovey, touchy-feely, kind of view of God and Jesus. I don't buy the hell fire and brimstone talk. God is love. Jesus is love. (not gay love, not straight love, just love) I guess a lot of people out there say I can't be christian because I don't believe gays are going to hell. Well, I have a limited amount of space to argue that suffice it to say I disagree.
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I agree with you Adder, I have dealt with this issue many times in churches. This often a point of control, to make men feel like they constantly need to repent simply for being attracted to women. \n\nIt's takes a very conservative point on some scriptures and misses the point that marriage is still about very much about sex, and sex is still about (you guessed it) sexual attraction. How many Christians do you know who marry without any consideration of looks? What then is the point of simply being vocal about being attracted?\n\nI assure you, this is a "Christian Alpha Male" move to manipulate and control men into feeling less about something they don't need to feel less about...\n\nThere is a fine line to lust though, and that should be taken into account. But for goodness sakes don't let others guilt trip you into feeling bad about being attracted. That's just stupid.
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Look at what I found on http://forums.catholic.com \n\n" Homosexual persons are not necessarily called to celibacy but rather to chastity as are we all. The Church recognizes that homosexuality is a disorder (see CCC 2357) and, while the desires are not in themselves sinful, acting out on them is clearly offensive to God (see Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). \n\nIt is appropriate to judge acting out on homosexual desires as wrong. But far from being "exclusionary”, the Church teaches that homosexual persons “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.” (CCC 2358)\n__________________\nJim Blackburn\nCatholic Answers Apologist "\n\nThe "CCC" stands for Catechism of the Catholic Church and the numbers behind them are paragraph numbers.  You can read the catechism online here:  http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm  Check it out to learn about the Church's teaching on homosexuality.
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Thank you, my point exactly. Who ever thinks being gay is a choice should be taken to an asylum for a session of electroshocks. Being attracted to the same sex is not a choice made out of perversion, it is an instinctual aspiration from within. (I hate to hear so much hypocrisy from our religious friends...Jesus was crucified, never once lifting a finger to hurt anyone, not even to save himself. The son of God; the most powerful being wasn't killed by perverted wicked people, he was killed by the so-called righteous? That friends, is evil and perversed... that which people do in the name of righteousness.) In all honesty, I now understand why religion is attacking homosexuality with everything it's got. The day homosexuality is discovered to be valid (for example found to be genetic) is the day religion is unmasked as a fraud. {And you can quote me.}      \n\nAs for those who say it's un-natural...just remember... toilet paper is un-natural (along with electricity, television, cell-phones, etc...) << be creative...  "Don't be so egar to judge. In a world of defects, no one can critique"
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Yes, because he was perfect.  Disease and aging had no hold over Christ.  Had he not been murdered in some other fashion, he would still be living as a man on earth rather than a spirit in heaven.  Great question.
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Yes, felt that way b/4, but this is what helped me out. I have to get very close to God. Remembering what the scripture says in the book of Job 22:21 “Now acquaint yourself with Him, and be at peace;Thereby good will come to you" I remembered also remembered and read Numbers 23:19 which says “God is not a man, that He should lie,Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" Having this at the back of my mind, I then strongly believed that God loves me by believing the scripture John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son ..." After then u can not imagine how well and healed I was, my worries disappeared. God is Great - give Him a trial today.
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Of course not! what gave you that idea?!\n \n Romans 1:26-26 "That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of a female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males,working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error." \n\n1 Cor 6:9 "What! Do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men."\n\n God hates fornication and homosexuality and lesbianism.  Anyone who practices those things will not inherit God's Kingdom.
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First of all , why should you 'handle '...temptation and lust? don't you know that is normal. There is no God that is going to punish you for anything you do with your body or with someone else in full consent. You obviously do not know anything about the early history of the Catholic church and the Nicene councils and the councils of Trent and others. It is there that they completely altered the teaching of Jesus. Did you know that he was not even considered any more than a prophet or a man till One of the early Councils had him elected to Deity by unanimous vote of all the bishops present?Did you know that there were already 30,000 errors in evidence in the Textus Receptus of the New Testament even centuries ago?,,, \n   Jesus was a great moral teacher, but surely his words have been modified often by the very 'Scribes' that he always warned about . I am sure that he masturbated himself and thought nothing of it more than a natural way to obtain relief.\n   Don't be so scared of going to hell girl and start enjoying your body. Get yourself a nice young guy and LET GO..THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE...
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it's a sin, allright.\nbut in no aspect whatsoever that it is a greater sin.\nYou are right, judging people, liars, adulterers, thieves, gossippers, murderes, and so on are equal sinners as homosexuals (who practice the lifestyles).\n\nChurch who treates homosexuals badly are the misguided one.\nThey are basically the same like the pharisees during the  bible times.\n\nI believe if Jesus to walk the earth today, he would hang out in the midst of homosexuals (delivering them from bondage) -just like he walked in the past (among tax collectors, prostitutes, and so on).\n\nPerhaps, the reason why YOU are put in that kind of church is to testify Jesus' love by reminding them (the congregation and the pastors) the bible truth. That they should treated the homosexuals like human being.\nRemind them that they should hate the sins, not the sinners.