After we leave Iraq in defeat, will conservatives blame LIberals for Bush's failed invasion/occupation ?
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I believe they're already employing this tactic, planksheer. Honestly, much of the ANP playbook appears to have been lifted from goebbels himself. This administration's version of goebbels is clearly karl "piggy-man" rove, though I confess his physical appearance owes more to the rotund göring. In any case, the parallels are clear to all but the indoctrinated and deceived.\n\nForgive me for taking this liberty, planksheer, but I really must defend you against the spurious attacks I've observed in some of the later posts to your question. For the record, planksheer served his country (the US of A) as a naval officer during the Vietnam War, which is a damn sight more than most of his detractors can say about their own military service (or lack of same). So pray do be more careful about smearing others with vitriolic personal attacks when clearly short of the actual facts. It is so very bush league (pun intended).\n\n*Note for Mellencamp: Well, considering I have an IQ of 152 and am a History scholar, I feel completely assured my knowledge of the history of this country far surpasses yours (as does my grammar). It might interest you to know that, on a lark, I actually took the US citizenship exam and got a perfect score at the same time my father took his and became a US citizen (he was born in the UK). It goes without saying that I have nothing to prove to anyone of your ilk, nor does planksheer, whose patriotism you have no right to impugn either. You clearly have no respect for others whose views are more enlightened than your own and I am thus not in the least bit interested in engaging in a pissing contest with you. So I'm afraid you'll have to go find another playmate to take out your embarrassingly impotent frustrations on. Good grief, no wonder so many around the world despise Americans.
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I'm embarassed.\n\nFirst of all--we lied to start a war that was not provoked against us.  It was actually nice having one country in the world that didn't kiss our butts and tell us what we wanted to hear.  I am in favor of free speech.  I believe Saddam Hussein became a target because he spoke too boldly against us.\n\nSecond of all--the rape of Baghdad was extremely disgusting.  By rape, I mean the archeological treasures of several millenia went on sale on ebay overnight.  It's a loss for the entire world.\n\nThirdly--the dismissal of the Iraqi army *insured* civil war.  Having no army leaves the state--democratically reformed or not--incapable of defending itself.  Why did we want this?  What were we thinking?  What is the goal here?\n\nFourthly--our fates are shared.  There is a connection.  To the extent that Iraq will be entrenched in civil war, America will be there as well.  The conservatives can't seem to back away from this war--such is their leadership, and they love their leaders dearly.  The liberals want to take responsibility for the wrong we have done.  America will be in Iraq for quite a while.\n\nIt's pretty sad, actually.  I hope Iraq pulls through, but it will never, ever be the same.
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Liberals have not yet gotten over losing the 2000 election. And it is splitting their party apart. Rather than focus on a real agenda to deal with some of the problems we have, they rely on their hatred of GWB. Only problem is that many, many Americans are tired of the old shrill propaganda.\n\nGratefulDead06 - Nice try on the propaganda video. ANYONE can take ANY video and twist it to say what they want. That video in particular has been discussed and denounced in several Q&A's here - and conservatives AND liberals have denounced it. Much like politicians - both Republicans AND Democrats - twist poll numbers to say what they want.\n\nAs far as your "evidence" that Bush stole the election, try posting something from a REPUTABLE source rather than a website whose sole agenda is to make someone look bad. Post something from CNN or NBC or Fox News or ABC. You won't because you can't.\n\nYou have NO CREDIBILITY.
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What were we supposed to do, deploy a military we had all but dismantled.\n\nHell, we didn't leave Georgie boy enough spare parts to fix a flat and he took all the blame (another slick move, don't you think?)
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The fact that we caught one means we ARE on the right track (with a few detours) and that just proves that the Liberals were....OMG...WRONG!! Just wait though...next move Bush makes , they'll be back bashing everyone and everything they can get their hands on. Personally, they don't know what they're talking about! Bush is acually doing Something while liberals want to sit back here and hide. GO MILITARY!! GO BUSH!!! GO AMERICA!!!
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Quite the contrary... The dems that were trotted out to run against the most liberal of the republicans were far closer to the center, more "conservative" tha the RINO's they ran against. The far left of the dems would not have been able to pull of the upsets that these moderates accomplished. I doubt you'll see major changes in taxes, Iraq, etc. right away. They know that that a lot of people did not vote for them for what they stood for, but just against what they perceived the republicans had become.. corrupt, immoral, big government, tax breaks for the rich & big business and war mongerers. The dems know if they screw it up, the republicans will be back!
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It isn't a matter of hating each other. The 'liberals' are simply astonished at the blind faith conservatives have for W.  The conservatives think that if you don't support W., you  must be anti American.  The liberals are also concerned more about all the things the government is sacrificing the homeland for so that W. can fight his war in Iraq.  We have so many problems here in the USA, but W. has given up on this generation of Americans ( no stem cell research, less $$ for education, etc ) so he can try to build his oil empire while establishing a foothold in the mideast to attack Iran, protect Israel and make sure you can put gas in your SUV.
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I bet the Liberals will blame Bush or Cheney. lol
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If you believe Bush, which I don't, we won the same year we started.  What's going on now is peace and nation building.  What happened in Nam, and I was on active duty during the last three years, I retired at 20 years after Desert Storm, was that the Republicans, Nixon and Ford, caved as a result of public pressure and discontent with the body count.  Since Bush dodged service, I think has no understanding of that, and has set us up for the same result.  I will point out that our troops have done a lot of good for the Iraqis, I think our service people are the best of our best, my own daughter and her husband are on active duty.  Yes, I think a lot of us know the invasion was a mistake, I said so from day one, right now the question is how to fix it, and that is not something we will be able to do in a hurry.  Sad, but fact of life.
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No-one will win or lose, just like no-one is winning or losing in Afghanistan or Iraq. Some americans will believe that they would have won because they killed another hundred thousand people. They will convince themselves of that and blame the liberals and the liberal media when the world turns against them. Just like some of them still think that they actually won in Vietnam, really they did, but the hippies made them lose it all.  Just see the comment above and you'll know the mindset.
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Liberals are destroying this country\n\nPeace
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well... now... I don't believe the theory... but to answer your question...\n\n1. Israelis... we're there wiping out/thinking of wiping out half of the enemies they have in the world... all at no real cost to them... \n\n2. American business... billions have been spend on the war... and where is it going? American businesses hired to rebuild Iraq/make weapons, parts for the U.S. military... and that's not even talking about what a war does in an oil producing area to oil prices... \n\n3. Republicans... funny as it sounds... an attack always brings out a conservative vote.. in war you tend to get more conservative and more patriotic... two ideas that are traditionally conservative... and Bush barely won... as an incumbent, with the war... that's like barely beating screech from saved by the bell at arm wrestling... \n\nbut I think terrorists did it...
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The terrorist want the defeatocrats to win, then we will pull out of Iraq,they'll move in and have control of the oil after they kill the Iraq citizens. We definitely will be attacked here again after they dismantle the Nsa and wire tapping, Are courts will be tied up with terrorist on trial with lawyers at Our expense and we definitely be the laughing stock of the world.\n\nOh Yea! I forgot to mention, After they destroy Our security's and we get attacked then they(defeatocrats) will blame it all on President Bush.\n\nBut not to worry The American people are to smart to put those idiots in office!
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You know, if the liberals would have had their way, they would have not gone to war and eventually we would have had WMD used on us. Then these same liberals would have wondered why we did nothing and blamed the Republicans.
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Persoly i thought if there were gonna invade iraq, it would be a good choice, elimating a dicactor, and injecting liberalism to the islamic area, despite other bad motives (oil) \ni am astounded at how iraq is stil unstable, and how the u.s is turned into the occupational forces
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Man seriously you know if we leave Iraq, then mayhem beyond what we are "supossed causing" will just be worst.\n\nRead some Iraqi blogs.\nyou will then see the truth.
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I think we all know it is broken. Liberals and Conservatives are equally to blame.