where it says ""For the wages of sin is death". in the Bible?
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Romans 6:23...but do you notice that the wages sin pays is death, NOT eternal torment? God gives us two choices..eternal life in a perfected state, or to be left in death with no hope for a ressurection.
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All but one. The Bible says there is one unforgivable sin - blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. They affect us differently on earth, but in the end, the wages of any sin is death to those who do not repent and accept Christ as their savior.
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From the very beginning of sin in the Garden of Eden, the consequence for sin is death.  God gave Adam and Eve a graphic reminder of that when He killed animals and clothed them in the skins.  God gave us another reminder of that when He gave Noah and his family the animals to eat (before that, God had not given humanity permission to eat animals).  When you eat a hamburger, that's a God-ordained reminder that something has to die so that you can live.  The Old Testament sacrifical system is another reminder.  Every year on the Day of Atonement, sacrifice would be made for the sins of the nation for that year -- another reminder that because people sinned, an innocent animal had to die.  God used these reminders to ingrain in human consciousness that death is the penalty for sin, so that we would understand the magnitude of what Christ did for us on the cross.
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It's actually "Thou shalt not murder."\n\nLet me elaborate.  A "murder" is an unlawful killing.  For example, in the New Testament, Christ says that if a person hate without a cause, that person has murdered in his heart.  The operative words are "without a cause."\n\nGod ordered certain peoples to be killed because they had become so sinful, so evil, that they were hurting themselves and people around them.  For example, one king had conquered 40 other kings, cut off their thumbs and big toes, and then had them scavange for food under his table.\n\nEver try to pick up food with out thumbs or walk without big toes?\n\nWhat will become of the peoples God wiped out?  The Bible says that these people will be ressurrected.  They aren't banished to hell fire.  They will all be raised from the dead and have a chance to do better.\n\nSo it's really like God forcing them to take a nap until He can deal with them.
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Find it in the Bible.  By the way, why is this question posted under Law & Ethics?
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You have been admonished.\n\nEze 3:17  Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. \nEze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. \nEze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
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These verses aren't saying the same things at all, and you aren't understanding them because you are looking at them out of context.  These are all from the NRS.\n\nGen 3:  14 The Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you among all animals and among all wild creatures; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel."\n\n16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."\nhttp://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=Genesis+2&section=0&version=nrs&new=1&oq=&NavBook=ge&NavGo=2&NavNextChapter=%3E%3E&NavCurrentChapter=2\n\nHere in Genesis 3:16, YHVH is telling Eve that her punishment for eating of the Tree of Knowledge is to have pain during childbirth, and yet to still desire sexual relations with her husband in spite of it; that her husband will rule over her on account of her desire for sexual relations with him.\n\nGen 4: 3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel for his part brought of the firstlings of his flock, their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.\n\n6 The Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it." \nhttp://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ge+4&version=nrs&language=en&showtools=0\n\nHere, in Gen 4:7, YHVH is telling Cain that if he does good things he will be happy; that Cain should desire to do good things because good things desire Cain to make good things manifest.  But evil things also desire Cain to make evil things manifest, and so Cain must learn to control himself - to gain mastery over himself - in order to differentiate between good and evil, and then presumably choose good over evil because man's natural state is godlike and therefore good.
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Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10\n\nI guess the whole hell fire torture thing is a big lie. Not that God would ever do such a thing anway.\n\nOther scriptures such as John 11:11-14 show that death is like a deep sleep. Church leaders teach that a person who dies immediately goes to heaven or hell. This however is not true. In order to live again, a person has to be resurrected (brought back to life). The Bible teaches "ashes to ashes, dust to dust", not "ashes to hell fire, dust to hell fire". - Genesis 3:19\n\nThe Bible states that "the wages sin pays is death" not "the wages sin pays is eternal torment" (Romans 6:23). Death is the absence of life. If a person where to be tortured in hell fire, wouldn't they have to be alive to know what was going on?\n\nSo as Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 correctly states, those who have died are unconscious entirely. They are in a deep sleep, awaiting a resurrection back to life. If the soul was immortal would they need a resurrection? Instead, we rely on God for eternal life.\n\nWhen the Bible speaks of hell, it is actually referring to the place where a person is layed to rest (see Jonah 2:2 where Jonah refers to the belly of the fish as 'hell'). Many Bible translations translate the word hell as 'grave' and 'pit' also.\n\nI hope all this was helpful to you. Here are other scriptures that you may find useful:\nPsalm 146:4\nJob 14:10\nEcclesiastes 3:20
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Romans 12:19  \n\n    19  Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
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The bible says that the wages of sin is death. Did the child sin? Of course not, this isn't my point. The bible also says that the rain falls on the just and the unjust. Inversely, as long as sin is in the earth, then the consequence of sin will fall upon the just and unjust as well. That's why Jesus came and died for us; so that through Him we may have life.\n\nI'm not just saying this. I, too, have suffered and lost greatly in life. I had to come to terms myself with regards to your question. In the end I found peace in knowing and accepting that God loves me, feels my pain, and cares deeply for me.
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(2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)\n\nThus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'\n\n    Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."  Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."  [The child dies seven days later.]
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NONE of them!\n\nThe Bible is explicit. We are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin.(eesh b'chet-o yumatu)\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. \nAnd the Etrnl said unto Moses, Whosoever \nhath sinned against me, him will I blot \nout of my book. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us.\n\n               Ezekiel 18:4,20  Behold, all souls are mine; \n               as the soul of the father, so also the soul \n               of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, \n               it shall die. 20  The soul that sinneth, it \n               shall die. The son shall not bear the \n               iniquity of the father, neither shall the \n               father bear the iniquity of the son: the \n               righteousness of the righteous shall be upon \n               him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall \n               be upon him. \n\nSo, the Bible is clear, no one can die for the sins of another, and this means that Jesus cannot die for anyone else's sins.
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Matthew 10:23\n23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.\n\nMatthew 11:23\nAnd thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. \n\nMatthew 19:28; \nAnd Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.\n\nMatthew 21:43, 44; 24; 25:31-46; 26:17-35, 46, 64; \nGoodluck ^_^
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No it is not. The Bible says clearly in Hebrews 9:27\n"...it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment."
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The Old Testament sacrifices were a 'type' of Christ. Think of them as a credit card for sin. Jesus was the actual payment. And that payment is good for all people throughout time.
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Hell\n\nDefinition: The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl´ and its Greek equivalent hai´des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge´en·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).\n\nDoes the Bible indicate whether the dead experience pain?\n\nEccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.) (*“Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB; “the grave,” KJ, Kx; “hell,” Dy; “the world of the dead,” TEV.)\n\nPs. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts* do perish.” (*“Thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “schemes,” JB; “plans,” RS, TEV.)\n\nDoes the Bible indicate that the soul survives the death of the body?\n\nEzek. 18:4: “The soul* that is sinning—it itself will die.” (*“Soul,” KJ, Dy, RS, NE, Kx; “the man,” JB; “the person,” TEV.)\n\n“The concept of ‘soul,’ meaning a purely spiritual, immaterial reality, separate from the ‘body,’ . . . does not exist in the Bible.”—La Parole de Dieu (Paris, 1960), Georges Auzou, professor of Sacred Scripture, Rouen Seminary, France, p. 128.\n\n“Although the Hebrew word nefesh [in the Hebrew Scriptures] is frequently translated as ‘soul,’ it would be inaccurate to read into it a Greek meaning. Nefesh . . . is never conceived of as operating separately from the body. In the New Testament the Greek word psyche is often translated as ‘soul’ but again should not be readily understood to have the meaning the word had for the Greek philosophers. It usually means ‘life,’ or ‘vitality,’ or, at times, ‘the self.’”—The Encyclopedia Americana (1977), Vol. 25, p. 236.\n\nWhat sort of people go to the Bible hell?\n\nDoes the Bible say that the wicked go to hell?\n\nPs. 9:17, KJ: “The wicked shall be turned into hell,* and all the nations that forget God.” (*“Hell,” 9:18 in Dy; “death,” TEV; “the place of death,” Kx; “Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB, NW.)\n\nDoes the Bible also say that upright people go to hell?\n\nJob 14:13, Dy: “[Job prayed:] Who will grant me this, that thou mayst protect me in hell,* and hide me till thy wrath pass, and appoint me a time when thou wilt remember me?” (God himself said that Job was “a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad.”—Job 1:8.) (*“The grave,” KJ; “the world of the dead,” TEV; “Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB, NW.)\n\nActs 2:25-27, KJ: “David speaketh concerning him [Jesus Christ], . . . Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,* neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” (The fact that God did not “leave” Jesus in hell implies that Jesus was in hell, or Hades, at least for a time, does it not?) (*“Hell,” Dy; “death,” NE; “the place of death,” Kx; “the world of the dead,” TEV; “Hades,” AS, RS, JB, NW.)\n\nDoes anyone ever get out of the Bible hell?\n\nRev. 20:13, 14, KJ: “The sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell* delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their
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3)You wrote, "Our difference is in the interpretation of the data." If the 'data' states specifically, "Every man shall be put to death for his own sin,' how do you interpret that statement to allow for Jesus dying for our sins? It seems to me that your interpretation of Isaiah must be incorrect, or that 'every man shall be put to death for his own sin,' does not mean what it says, or Gd changed His mind somewhere between Deut.24:16 and Isaiah 53.....???\n\n1)You say 'no mortal man can atone,' so who actually did the dying on the cross? Gd cant die, so it was Jesus-the-mortal-man, and so all you have is a human sacrifice, which Gd calls an abomination and something He hates, in Deut 12:30-31!\n\nFOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ISAIAH 53, see the BEST ANSWER AT:::\n\nhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylt=AqACR_rSjfAqZek.PZv_OM0jzKIX?qid=1005123006794\n\nFOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LEV. 17:11, see the web sites i refer you to below.\n\n2)And Jesus being your prophet priest and king, i refer you to what i wrote below, all the theology of Christianity still flies in the face of what Gd already revealed to us through his Bible. Even a Jesus/prophet/priest/king still has not brought about those things the real messiah will do!\n----\nThe basic beliefs of Christianity about Jesus are against what the Bible says, and so Real Jews cannot believe in Jesus at all.\n\nThe Christian understanding is that the Messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.\n\nBut we are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin (eesh b’chet-o yumatu).\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. And the Etrnl \nsaid unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned \nagainst me, him will I blot out of my \nbook. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us:::\n\n             Ezekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27 .....Behold, all \n             souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so \n             also the soul of the son is mine: the soul \n             that sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:20 The soul \n             that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not \n             bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall \n             the father bear the iniquity of the son: the \n             righteousness of the righteous shall be upon \n             him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be \n             upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all \n             his sins that he hath committed, and keep all \n             my statutes, and do that which is lawful and \n             right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. \n             All his transgressions that he hath committed, \n             the