what about  Guantanamo?
446263
Guantanamo Bay is in Cuba where there is a base
802103
once you give up your rights, you are inherently unsafe. Do you really believe our government never makes a mistake? Do you really believe the 44 people who died under military torture at Abu Ghraib were all guilty of a crime? Do you believe that once taking the power to detain and torture with NO accountability, that our government will limit themselves with arresting only foreign "suspects" and legal immigrants who are "suspects"? So much for safety.
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I'm not weighing in on all the pros and cons of the Gitmo camp, nor am I evaluating whether or not the constitution applies to the Gitmo detainees or the permissions granted to Homeland Security to bypass certain parts of the constitution.\n\nI just want to make a couple of remarks.\n\nThe detainees in Gitmo who are true combatants and/or are members of al Qaida, and/or are Talibani, and who are not American citizens have no protection under the US constitution.  If they hold US citizenship, but were captured as combatants, they forsook that citizenship and are legally considered traitors as well as enemy combatants.   If there are US citizens detained at Gitmo and they are not al Qaida or Talibani, and were not enemy combatants, and were not captured in war zones of Afghanistan and/or Iraq, then they may have recourse to due process under constitutional law .\n\nHowever -- under Homeland Security and all the powers we granted to the department, constitutional due process is allowed to be suspended so long as it can be shown that a detainee does or did present a threat through action or conspiracy.\n\nIn short, we the people have said that in order to pursue the "war on terror," we will allow certain suspensions of and allowances or leeway in interpretations and applications of constitutional law including due process, habeas corpus, and much, much more.\n\nNow, as I said, I am not saying anything about what is right or wrong about anything involved in these issues, in terms of the constitutionality of many things done in the name of Homeland Security and the war on terror.\n\n\n\nI see it as unfortunate if Gauntanamo detainees chose suicide as an alternative to despair over their situation; however, only in so much as I feel regret over any needless death.  Furthermore, if their despair was due to their being frustrated terrorists or captured combatants in any ongoing war, I feel no sympathy whatsoever for their despair in that case.\n\nIf any or all sought to garner attention for their cause as detainees, I regret their choice of method.\n\nHowever, if any or all sought to muster support for their agendas as terrorists or combatants, then I hold them in the same contempt as I do their brethren, the suicide bombers who used their deaths to try to further their campaign of terrorism.\n\nLast, and I know this sounds cold,  but I feel much better knowing that a suicide died alone rather than taking others with him, like bombers are doing every day.\n\nP.S.  In times of war, it is customary to hold prisoners so long as hostilities continue, therefore it is entirely arguable that as so long as hostilities continue in Afghanistan and Iraq, then repatriation may be denied.  By extension, in the case of al Qaida members, as a group who declared war on the US and as a group without a nation, they present a special case wherein "repatriation" and "end of hostilities" are indeterminable by previous or traditional means and practices.  \n\nDo you want to return avowed enemies of the US to a status of active combat against us?
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It is generally in the interests of the US to abide in the hope that its opponents will treat US soldiers well in exchange.\n\nHowever, since terrorists are not lawful combatants and do not reciprocate good treatment the US should be following its own consicence in the matter. Guantanamo isn't an example of this because of the first point I made. Moreover, by most accounts the inmates there are fed well and regularly, clothed, allowed religious practice and visits from rights monitors to some extent. This is more than has happened for combatants in most wars - Vietnam and North Korea didn't grant access to US POWs for example.\n\nThe US is doing well in this regard, despite the silly and historically stupid 'Gulag' comparison of an Amnesty report - that wil forever haunt AI, as it was once an genuinely non-partisan and worthy organisation.
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The liberals were squacking over panties on the head,dogs barking at them,and humiliation which is not torture.Hell my brothers did things worse to me than what the prisoners at guantanamo and gitmo went through.They are all for the rights of the enemy and all for strengthening their cause.Its a disgusting shame..,ask the soldiers what they feel about the libs and they make no bones in telling you that they are feeding the enemy.Its even more disgusting that they dont care.
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So Saddam tortured people and now it's right for us to do it?\n\nAmerica lost her moral high-ground in the eyes of the world and it isn't about the gay marriage issue.  Get this through your head...WE ARE TORTURING PEOPLE BY POLICY.  It wasn't a pair of PFC nit-wits at Abu Ghraib, it was POLICY.  90 suspects have died in US detention due to interrogation "techniques".  The House Majority leader said it was "A-OK to crush a child's testicles to prevent terror attacks."\n\nThen we have the Sergeant Major of SOCOM (Special Forces) testifying before Congress saying that torture has NEVER in his long experience gained any useful information.  Suspects will lie and say anything people want to hear to get it to end, or they will bite their lip until they die.  Good enough for me, let's please END THIS BLIGHT ON OUR REPUBLIC.
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I expect the opposing side to name call on this one, or downplay the sactioning of torture. or that my side is sympathic to terrorist.\n\nThey will argue they have no rights as enemy combatants.\n\nThis is all garbage, it is dangerous the president can declare anyone an enemy without proof or trial......\nWe are not Iraq we are suppose to do justice by our nations princples.\n\nWe are letting people out of those prisons quietly, why would we do that if they were guilty.\n\n\nRumfeld and the Prez ok torture and blamed on 3 or 4 MPS.  It all stinks, \n\nThe way we detained many was by paying warlords for Tali Ban. War lords were paid by the head, many of these were people with no connection to Al Quedia or enemies of the war lords,  farmers.... you think a war lord cares........but who cares right?
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Highly doubtful.  We are likely to keep a "garrison" there for quite some time.  We still have bases in Saudi Arabia etc.  Which btw- is one "sore point" with Osama on why he declared jihad against the US.
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Cuba -- will that bug ever get squashed.  Americans have had a presence in Cuba since the Eisenhower Administration.   We are on Cuban soil; hence, anything done to anyone on Cuban soil is not covered under the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Geneva Convention Rules on Prisoners of War.\n\nAs long as America ships prisoners to countries that are not obliged to honor the Constitution, prisoners can be treated any way the captors want to treat them.  So, does that make the prisoners in Cuba any less "terrorists?"  We will never know.  \n\nI don't know if you understand this or not-----"you do know this, right?"----but America is no longer run by the people, of the people, and for the people.  America is being run by, of, and for the corporations who can pay enough money to keep this war going so they can get rich on the government contracts George Bush is giving to all the people he bankrupted in Texas.  I guess that's one way to pay off your debts!\n\nIt's sad, though, that the lives of honorable, courageous, and loyal Americans are being bought and sold to the highest bidder in the Bush Administration.
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The US Government does NOT torture people.  They simply use harsher methods, such as leaving lights on 24/7, extended interviews and sometimes messing with the Koran or other things.  The Red Cross is angry at the US because our prisoners are in fact getting too FAT!  Ha!  Anyone think the terrorists are concerned about how much food our boys get when they are captured?  Heck no!  They are probably not even fed!  The fact of the matter is, we feed them 3 squares, give them exercise and do all sorts of things.  We do not electrocute or lash or behead or anything like that.  The MCA does NOT advocate torture, but harsher measures, measures, mind you, that are not contrary to the Geneva convention.  The US gov't realizes that torture does not provide reliable information, but more intense interrogations does.  And this is what works, and what needs to be done!
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What gave these scumbags the opportunity to kill themselves?\nThe red cross and all those other goody-two-shoes liberals who complained that the prisoners didn't have privacy. They demanded that they be dark curtains placed over the open cages. Those scumbags hanged themselves when the curtains were closed and the guards could not see them. So lets blame the liberals who won't  keep their noses out of secret military installations.\nBy the way, Gitmo is a really beautiful base, with nice beaches, great snorkeling.>>>>>>Loved it.
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Step down? no.\nStick em all in Gitmo indefinitely.
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Okay, Torture is never right, and American should not support it or "contract out" the torture with another state.  That said, we should be open to information passed to us by other countries.  MOST middle eastern countries allow and encourage torture, so do we have no allies at all?  Tough ethical question, no real answer.
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Guantanamo Bay has been a U.S. Naval base on the island of Cuba since the Spanish American War, over 100 years ago. It is U.S. Territory. It is on the island of Cuba, not in the country of Cuba.
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i think they choose wether or not they want to be updated with latest CIA reports.\n\nand in most middle-eastern countries a life time in jail
81946
I feel those imprisoned in Cuba should be able to plead a case in some kind of military tribunal or something. If there is evidence that the individual has direct ties to terrorism, keep em locked up.  By just setting them all free, you're gonna have some really pissed off middle eastern men with ties to terrorism with a huge grudge trying to get back at America and that cannot be a good thing.
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If we took the gloves off over there,i would go tomorrow.The problem is all the sniveling on the home front, about "torture"and "terrorist rights".Screw 'em.They are barbarians,and must dealt with as such.Why should we play by rules,and the enemy does not.?