Chritian Trinitarians, Explain The Trinity To Me?
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Well, here's one way to think of it. When Bob is at work, he is Bob the employee. When he goes home, he is Bob the father and husband. When he goes bowling, he is Bob the bowler. When he has a few too many brewskis at the bowling alley and wraps his car around a tree, he is Bob the DUI. But they're all the same Bob. \n\nAnd I will pray to whichever one is relevant at the time.
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As always, the Scriptures NEVER prove the trinity and ALWAYS prove that Jesus and Jehovah are distinct persons. The truth doesn't need a lot of explaining beyond what the Scriptures plainly teach.\n\n(Matthew 1:23, RS) Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and *HIS NAME* shall be called Emmanuel’ (which means, God with us).\n\n(Luke 1:32, RS) He will be great, and will be called the *SON* of the Most High. [emphasis added]\n\n(Luke 1:35, RS) the child to be born will be called holy, the *SON* of God.\n\n(John 10:36, RS) [Jesus] said, `I am the *SON* of God'\n\n(John 3:17, RS) God sent the *SON* into the world\n\n(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation\n\n(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.\n\n(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God\n\n(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God\n\n(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth\n\n(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak\n\n(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am\n\n(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him\n\n(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father\n\n(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God\n\n(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.\n\n(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah\n\n(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him\n\nThanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!\n\nLearn more!\nhttp://watchtower.org/e/ti/\nhttp://watchtower.org/e/20050422/article_02.htm\nhttp://watchtower.org/e/pr/article_04.htm
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE "TRINITY"\n\n1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.\n\nJesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,\n\nJesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;\n\nDoes the Bible teach that all who are said to be part of the Trinity are eternal, none having a beginning?\n\nRev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him .  Why did God have to give Jesus the revelation, if Jesus is God?\n\nDoes the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)\n\nJohn 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”\n\n1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. \n\nA person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.\n\nI COULD GO ON & ON WITH SCRIPTURES & EXPLANATIONS, BUT I THINK THIS ALREADY TO LONG FOR SOME PEOPLE.
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You make an interesting point. I have made an exclusive study of the trinity in the Christian scriptures and found it to have a solid premise, albeit that particular word isn't in the bible, and neither is the concept directly addressed. I wouldn't attempt to go into it here - it's too much - and that wasn't your question. I know  little about the Hindu religion,  so I'm not really qualified to comment.  What I find interesting about your point - the trinity notwithstanding - is that Mary, the mother of Jesus is worshiped in some Christian religions, as some  pray to various saints as well. It does indeed sound like at least some Christians have more than one god. I think that's rather odd. But...I haven't answered your question. It's a bit tricky. If you were a Christian we could discuss it.
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Yes, but not a trinity of God as 3 persons. He is manifested to man in 3 ways...or offices/ministries...but God is one and the same person.\n\nISAIAH 45:21\nTell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.\n\nTo say that He is more than one person, is paganism.\nThe Doctrine of the Trinity is a Roman Catholic doctrine from the Council of Nicea, 325 A.D.\n\nGod is a Spirit. As a Spirit He has no physical form to show Himself to us. The Bible says that Jesus was God, as a man...the express image of God.\nJesus said He and the Father are the same person.\n\nJOHN 14:7-9\n7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.\n8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. \n9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? \n\nMany Trinitarians say that when God said, "Let us make man in our own image", that it denotes God speaking to the two other persons in the Godhead. But there is no Scriptures that say He is 3 persons. He was speaking to us. We were in Him, before the foundation of the world.\n\nWE ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS HAVING A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE, WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS HAVING A HUMAN EXPERIENCE\n\nHe is FATHER, above us.\nHe is SON, with us.\nHe is HOLY SPIRIT, in us.\n\nOne God, 3 manifestations.\n\nI AM THE LORD I CHANGE NOT -MALACHI 3:6\nJESUS CHRIST THE SAME YESTERDAY, AND TODAY, AND FOREVER -HEBREWS 13:8\n\nCOLOSSIANS 2:9\nFor in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.\n\nI TIMOTHY 3:16\nAnd without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.\n\nHEBREWS 1:3\nWho being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; \n("RIGHT HAND" symbolizes POWER, this is throughout the Old Testament)\n\nAsk yourself this, can a Spirit bleed?...\nACTS 20:28\nTake heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.\n\nCompare ISAIAH 45:21,22,23 with ROMANS 14:11 and PHILIPPIANS 2:10,11...there is only ONE SAVIOUR!\n\nEPHESIANS 4:5,6\n5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, \n6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. \n\nLORD (Father) - JESUS (Son) - CHRIST (Holy Ghost)\n\nTo learn more go here...\nhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bibletruth...\nThen click on DOCTRINES OF DEVILS\nThen click on THE TRINITY\n\nYou can also go here...\nThe Trinity - Christian Or Pagan?\nhttp://www.bridemessage.org/thustrin.htm...\n\nMay God bless you, as you seek His' Truth.
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I believe in God but not the trinity. (God is not all in Jesus, but Jesus was all God)\n\nBut even as a God he had to humiliate himself, by walking on the earth as a man.\n\nTraits of a human Body\nJesus became wearied ( tired ) ( John 4:6 ) \nJesus became hungry ( Luke 4:2 , Mt 4:2 , Mark 11:12 ) \non the cross just before he died he said I thirst ( John 19:28 ) \n\nHe showed human emotion\nJesus wept ( John 11:35 ) \nJesus loved ( Mark 10:21 , John 11:15 , John 11:36 , John 15:12 , John 19:26 ....) \nJesus was angry ( Mark 11:11-21 ) \n\nAn argument for support of the married status of Jesus is that bachelorhood was very rare for Jewish males of Jesus' time, being generally regarded as a transgression of the first mitzvah (divine commandment) — "Be fruitful and multiply". According to this reasoning, it would have been unthinkable for an adult, unmarried Jew to travel about teaching as a rabbi.\n\nIn The Gospel of Philip, it is said: \n"There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary." \n\nAs for the Wisdom who is called "the barren," she is the mother of the angels. And the companion of the Lord Mary Magdalene. Jesus loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her mouth. \n\nLogically and realistically they could have been married and had a child/children. He came here to walk as a man, it was not then and it is not now  a sin to be married, engage in intercourse, and have a child.\n\nLogically and realistically he could have been totally divine, felt all the worst mankind had to offer, and very little of the joy. which is really what he was sent here to do, die for our sin.\n\nHopefully, we will see all the truth in heaven.
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The concept of the Trinity is often hard to grasp. In your question, you seem to show that you believe that the Trinity did not always exist. According to John 1, Jesus was with God, in God, and God from the begining, they were never seperate (except when Jesus took on the world's sins on the cross). in John 10, Jesus states that 'I and the father are one,' in John 10:30. The plainest biblical evidence for the Trinity falls in 1 John 5:7, where it says "7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. "\n\nEach Godhead (The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) are God, and the same one God, yet they are different. They each have their distinctive roles, yet are one unit.
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Jesus Christ is *NOT* the Almighty God, and the word "trinity" is not found in the bible (although it is in the Koran).\n\nJesus never taught the trinity because it is not a true bible teaching. The actual teachings of Jesus have been continued by Jehovah's Witnesses, who are true Christians.\n\nIronically, Trinitarians repeatedly pretend that Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian. Trinitarians use an artificial, trinity-specific definition of the term "Christian" which excludes anyone who does not believe that Jesus is God Himself, rather than the Son of God. Interestingly, pagans in the first century pretended that Christ's followers were Atheists(!) because the Christians had a somewhat different idea from the pagans about the nature of God.\n\nJehovah's Witnesses teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe! Both secular dictionaries and disinterested theologians acknowledge that Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian religion.\n\nThe Trinitarian arguments are intended to insult and demean Jehovah's Witnesses, rather than to give a Scripturally accurate understanding of the term "Christian".\n\nIn fact, the bible most closely associates being "Christian" with preaching about Christ and Christ's teachings. Review all the times the bible uses the term "Christian" and note that the context connects the term with:\n"declaring the good news"\n'teaching quite a crowd'\n'open eyes, turn from dark to light'\n"uttering sayings of truth"\n"persuade"\n"keep on glorifying"\n\n(Acts 11:20-26) [The early disciples of Jesus] began talking to the Greek-speaking people, declaring the good news of the Lord Jesus... and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.\n\n(Acts 26:17-28) [Jesus said to Paul] I am sending you, to open their eyes, to turn them from darkness to light and from the authority of Satan to God... Paul said: “I am not going mad, Your Excellency Festus, but I am uttering sayings of truth and of soundness of mind. ...Do you, King Agrippa, believe the Prophets? I know you believe.” But Agrippa said to Paul: “In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian.”\n\n(1 Peter 4:14-16) If you are being reproached for the name of Christ, you are happy... But if he suffers as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name\n\n\nSo why do anti-Witnesses try to hijack the term "Christian" and hide its Scriptural implications? Because anti-Witnesses recognize that it is the preaching work that makes it clear that the relatively small religion of Jehovah's Witnesses are by far the most prominent followers of Christ:\n\n(Matthew 28:19,20) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded\n\n\nLearn more!\nhttp://watchtower.org\nhttp://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/index.htm
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All three believe in God the father\nhis creation of the universe\nThat the scripture is his holy word\nthe inspiration of the prophets\nAll believe in Jesus Christ\nHis godhood as 2nd person of the trinity\nHis virgin birth\nHis sinless life\nhis atoning death on the cross\nHis bodily resurrection\nsalvation by grace\nThe Trinity \nand that Jesus  is the only means of salvation\nAll three believe in the godhood of the Holy spirit as the third person of the trinity\nHis indwelling and spiritual of Christians\n\nAll three believe in Satan , the fallen angel\nand in the eternal punishment of hell for the unsaved\n\nAs for differences they are less important\nthe style of worship is different\nboth catholic and orthodox tend to be more high church\nboth believe that grace is received through the church\nboth venerate the saints, All three believe in God the father\nhis creation of the universe\nThat the scripture is his holy word\nthe inspiration of the prophets\nAll believe in Jesus Christ\nHis godhood as 2nd person of the trinity\nHis virgin birth\nHis sinless life\nhis atoning death on the cross\nHis bodily resurrection\nsalvation by grace\nthe trinity \nand that he is the only means of salvation\nAll three believe in the godhood of the Holy spirit as the third person of the trinity\nHis indwelling and spiritual of Christians\n\nAll three believe in Satan , the fallen angel\nand in the eternal punishment of hell for the unsaved\n\nAs for differences they are less important\n\nProtestants believe in the priesthood of the individual believer \nThe roman catholic church has as it's head a pope, Orthodox accept the idea of a Petrine primacy, but only as a first among equals,\nthe style of worship is different, both catholic and orthodox tend to be more high church\nboth orthidox and catholic believe that grace is received through the church, both venerate the saints including Mary\nThere is some disagreement as to  the nature of the trinity and the nature of the Lord’s supper.\nAll in all
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The Trinity is the combination of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as three "people" making up one God-head.  It came about in the early Church as a way of reconcile the three figures mentioned in the New Testament with the single God of the Old Testament.\n\nIf there was a fourth one, I guess it would be called the Quadrity ("trinity" from Latin for "three-fold", "quad" is Latin for "four").\n\nActually, the "we" and "us" mentioned in Genesis has nothing to do with the Trinity.  It's called the "royal we", a term that royalty uses to refer to themselves (God is "King of Kings", is he not?).  Queen Victoria gave a famous example in reference to a performance of Gilbert & Sullivan's HMS Pinafore, "We are not amused."  "We" refers to herself, but since she is queen, she doesn't say "I am not amused."
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the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity, and is equal with God the Father and God the Son(Jesus Christ)
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the trinity is a polytheistic belief but Christians believe that they are monotheistic because they believe that these three people are three parts of one deity, which is NOT supported by the bible,\n\nthis belief was created by emperor Constantine, who was a pagan but converted to Christianity and wanted every other pagan too also, so he made the church start this dogma, it is not true the father the son and the holy spirit are three different beings, the son and the holy spirit are NOT to be worshiped. \nJesus is the SON and is not God himself. the concept of the Trinity is blasphemous and absurd.
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Our Heavenly Father, The Living Christ Jesus and The Holy Spirit are three separate forms of the One True God. Each can think, speak, listen etc. All have divine Heavenly powers. Yet these three ARE God! They are as One.  \nJesus(God) was the flesh of human existence. To save our souls from eternal damnation(because of sin), Jesus(God, as a man) was made to suffer for all the sins of past,present and future. Therefore  he was crucified on the cross thus fulfilling the Holy Prophecy. Jesus,God,the Holy Spirit, divided yet one, is eternal and immortal. It was the flesh of man that died on the cross. The Living Spirit of the Christ Jesus ascended to heaven to be with the Father.
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The idea of the trinity is very confusing even to those raised with Christians, so I can see where the confusion is.\n\nOne Christian scholar, James M. Arlandson, says "The co-equal and distinct persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not three Gods because they share the same essence in complete unity." He also goes on to explain the idea like three dimensions, you can describe length, width, and thickness or height separately but they work together.  Still confused?  Me too.  \n\nTo further complicate things, there are at least two ideas of the Trinity out there thanks to the Reformation.  In case you're not familiar, that's the term used to refer to the schism between the Catholic and Lutheran/Calvinist (Protestant) churches in the mid-sixteenth century.  This happy little event is the direct root of the number of Christian sects out there, since after Luther & Calvin broke with the "Church" which we now call Catholic, nearly everybody that had an issue basically broke off and made their own church - Anabaptists, Episcopalians, and so on, and so forth. \n\nOf course, this Eurocentric view leaves out the earlier split between the Roman (now generally called Catholic) & Byzantine (now generally called Orthodox) churches, and the Copts were never really accepted by either.\n\nModern Christianity is really diverse and sometimes random, and even within the Catholic church there are divisions in belief between American Catholics and other Catholics even though the Pope is supposed to be spiritual leader for all Catholics.  \n\nBe prepared, you're probably going to get a lot of angry answers to your question, because a lot of people will either decide you need conversion or that you're attacking their sect with this question.
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I'll make this simple and understandable for you.  God is love.  Love is nothing if it cannot be shared.  God created his son in order to share his love.  That allowed both God and Jesus his son to love, but only back and forth.  The trinity was formed when God created the Holy Spirit, thus allowing Gods love and Jesus' love to flow with and through the Holy Spirit.  You might notice that I said God created Jesus in order to share his love, yet Jesus came into a human form long after other humans had.  That is because God has no beginning and no end.  Since Jesus is the son of God, he too had no beginning and no end, save for his human existence.\n\nI hope that explains it clearly.
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"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name (NOT THE NAMES) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (St. Matt. 28:20).\n\n\n\nMany Christians begin to learn about the Trinity through knowledge of Baptism. This is also a starting point for others in comprehending why the doctrine matters to so many Christians, even though the doctrine itself teaches that the being of God is beyond complete comprehension. The Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed are structured around profession of the Trinity, and are solemnly professed by converts to Christianity when they receive baptism, and in the Church's liturgy, particularly when celebrating the Eucharist. One or both of these creeds are often used as brief summations of Christian faith by mainstream denominations.\n\nOne God\nGod is one, and the Godhead a single being: The Hebrew Scriptures lift this one article of faith above others, and surround it with stern warnings against departure from this central issue of faith, and of faithfulness to the covenant God had made with them. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" (Deuteronomy 6:4) (the Shema), "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Deuteronomy 5:7) and, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6). Any formulation of an article of faith which does not insist that God is solitary, that divides worship between God and any other, or that imagines God coming into existence rather than being God eternally, is not capable of directing people toward the knowledge of God, according to the trinitarian understanding of the Old Testament. The same insistence is found in the New Testament: "...there is none other God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4). The "other gods" warned against are therefore not gods at all, but substitutes for God, and so are, according to St. Paul, simply mythological or are demons.\n\nSo, in the trinitarian view, the common conception which thinks of the Father and Christ as two separate beings, is incorrect. The central, and crucial affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one salvation, manifest in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old is still the same as the God of the New. In Christianity, it is understood that statements about a solitary god are intended to distinguish the Hebraic understanding from the polytheistic view, which see divine power as shared by several separate beings, beings which can, and do, disagree and have conflicts with each other. The concept of Many comprising One is quite visible in the Gospel of John, chapter 17, verses 20 through 23.\n\nGod exists in three persons\n\nThe "Shield of the Trinity" or "Scutum Fidei" diagram of traditional Western Christian symbolism.This one God however exists in three persons, or in the Greek hypostases. God has but a single divine nature. Chalcedonians — Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants — hold that, in addition, the Second Person of the Trinity — God the Son, Jesus — assumed human nature, so that he has two natures (and hence two wills), and is really and fully both true God and true human.\n\n\nThe singleness of God's being and the multiplicity of the Divine Persons together account for the nature of Christian salvation, and disclose the gift of eternal life. "Through the Son we have access to the Father in one Spirit" (Ephesians 2:18). Communion with the Father is the goal of the Christian faith and is eternal life. It is given to humans through the Divine union with humanity in Jesus Christ who, although fully God, died for sinners "in the flesh" to accomplish their redemption, and this forgiveness, restoration, and friendship with God is made accessible through the gift to the Church of th
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"  1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.\n\n2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).\n\nIn Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking.  Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son.  Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.\n\n3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.\n\n4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).\n\n5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.\n\n6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.\n\nThe Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.\n\nThe Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2