why should the catholic church get involved with immigration issues when they are in a sex scandal?
451963
Its Because hr4437 Has A Clause That States\n\nAnyone or any organization who “assists” an individual without documentation “to reside in or remain” in the United States knowingly or with “reckless disregard” as to the individual’s legal status would be liable for criminal penalties and five years in prison.   This could include church personnel who provide shelter or other basic needs assistance to an undocumented individual.   Property used in this act would be subject to seizure and forfeiture. \n\nMany Of The ILLEGAL Immigrants Are Catholic, And Rely On The Generousity Of The Church To Survive\n\nMajor Provisions of HR 4437:\nhttp://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/HR4437.html
713196
Catholicism has been here a long time.  Since before the United States existed as a country.
652023
a big thank you thank you, this is what i have been trying to get through to ppl. Its an mental illness that affects people from all walks of life. Not just a catholic priest. Only reason they pick on the catholics about this is because the church doesn't allow the priest to get married. so there  is where they come up with this bs. My point is if  that is the case. then whats  the excuse of all the others that do this  and are married?
871801
Decide which church you want to have your servide in and then invite both the priest and the pastor to officiate.  The priest can give you a blessing.  As a graduate student I took as my research project the Pre-Cana marriage preparation course offerred by the Catholic Church for engaged couples and it is a solid, excellent program to sort out issues before they become difficulties after a couple is married.  Whatever church you eventually decide to settle in does not matter.  This Pre-Cana program will help you more than I can say and give you tools to deal with problems when they arise.  Peace and joy!
574417
Amen. By allowing illegal aliens or immigrants or whatever to become citizens, we're telling everyone "stay here long enough illegally and we'll forgive you." What happens when that illegal kills someone, or rapes? What do we do then? Let it go, because they have a 'right' to sexual pleasure?
452978
Problem is deeper. It's a Phylosofical problem (usually are not practic). Condom is not the problem, but behavior is.\n\nYou are not allowed to do sex before marriage. \nOnce married you are not allowed to have sex relations with other person. \nAnd MOST important of all: When you do sex, you do to have children and not to have pleasure. After 60's Pope told that having pleasure during the sex is not sin. ... since you are respecting all rules above. \n\nThese are main rules and as a Catholic, you cannot avoid it. If Catholic church allow to use condom, it means that they allow to do those wrong things too. \n\nIt's just a matter of Ethics and cause and consequence about rules. Religion cannot be flexible as moral is. Change this concept means change part of what has been teach during so long time .... and it has consequences.
1082364
The Vatican has no direct authority in the United States. That is up to the local Bishop.\nAny priests who commit any crimes are subject to the law and the punishment of the law. No one, not the Chuch, can hide them.\nThe fact is there is less sexual abuse of children by priests than by their natural fathers. The majority of sexual abuse of children is committed by middle-aged married men and that is according to the FBI statistics.
735554
I would suggest we treat them like any other perophile, perhaps a little worse. They should be tried, convicted and then imprisoned for life. A priest is especially more vulgar and disgusting than others as they are in a position of trust and that trust has been broken. And finally, ex-communication from the church.
1091622
Ever since Bush got away with tax-payer dollars funding Faith-based Initiatives, which is clearly unconstitutional but no politician will touch it in fear to be painted anti-church, there has been a movement in this country for more religious or power of the church.\n\nPeople don't realize how powerful the catholic church is. Do a little research and check out how wealthy they are. It will shock you. There is no way they are going to like China not 'obeying' their (not God's) rules.
935886
Bravo.\n\nPeople make religious references because the Catholic Church used to grant secrecy and opportunity for illegal aliens.  So, apparently, ALL churches are "behind on the times" for not comparing Jesus to illegal aliens.  \n\nFunny, when Jesus wasn't wanted, he didn't fight or aruge.  He simply left.  My question would be why aren't illegal aliens following Christ, who they traditionally claim to serve?\n\nI have no beef with any religion, and I hope poor people DO come to the country and make a lot of money.   \n\nJust do it legally, people.
723036
Well, aren't they already doing that with immigration and the ever election-looming issue of gay marriage?  (Note how we don't talk about gay marriage until it's election time...)
1116964
A big fall! Look at the replies you got -excuse makers. \n Funny how no one wants to hear that-it is even a bigger issue than immigration.\n God forbid-you point out their sin-most will turn it back and say all do. No morals-no responsibility.\n Personally lets kick the unmoral out and the excuse makers. We can let others in than we would have plenty of room. And yes there is a difference between those who sin and those who make a 'practice' out of it. And yes sin has measures-all through out the bible. And excuse makers are practicer of it. Now they will go and pick the parts they like out. Rather than the whole book.\n\n\nLook out morals is more dangerous subject than Illegal immigrants.
567572
Doesn't all this ruckus from the Church seem like overkill to you? I haven't seen the Catholic Church so worked up over a movie since The Last Temptation Of Christ. And I haven't seen the Catholic Church so scared since those pedophilia scandals. Maybe the ideas in the book are not so far fetched after all.
747834
I agree. This whole Catholic Church priest thing has gotten ridiculous. As if the Catholic Church is the only religion who has this problem. I think it has to do with people not understanding the need for Priests to be celibate and assuming that's leads to pedophillia, which it doesn't.
898110
Most if not all of those extra men are related to them. I know sexual abuse within the family happens, but there is no reason to assume it happens among all illegal aliens.
20178
In the catholic religion it is considered sinful to display sexual feelings of any sort in public and anywhere other than the privacy of your bedroom. It's very funny because Catholics try so hard to put on a front like they aren't sexual freaks like the rest of us...but recently it has been discovered that the biggest cheaters on this earth is that of married catholic men and freakiest young chicks are those that belong to a catholic family. the most rebelious young man belongs to a catholic family and the most immoral "church figure" belongs to the catholic religion. Catholics seem like they have it all together on the outside but they are so meesed up on the inside....which is why they are so judgemental to anything that is different such as ..playing with yourself. According to Catholic methodology...playing with yourself is, in fact, a sin.
952010
I think I'm going to be sick.  It's not downplayed? Do these people even watch the news???????????????????  It most certainly is downplayed by the Church AND it's members!  I know, cause I work with Catholics and all of them say "Yeah, well, they did catch one......" One out of how many who are doing this?  And, like you said, just how many have they covered up??????\n\nAnd I would really like to know, 20wks, how oxy is a hypocrite???  Geez woman pull your head outta your rear!  There's nothing hypocritical here except you trying to pass off the hypocricy onto someone else.\n\nArrest those who hide pedophiles as if they committed the crime themselves.  And tax the hell outta the Church.  Then we'll see if they have the money to move these priests around.