Is it really about the wiretapping or is it just another way to attack President Bush?
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People are just looking for another reason to attack President Bush.  The Democrats and ACLU didn't have a problem with it under President Clinton.\n\n"The Department of Justice believes- and the case law supports- that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes and that the president may, as he has done, delegate this authority to the attorney general."\n-Jamie S. Gorelick, Deputy Attorney General, 1994 (The same Gorelick who sat on the 9/11 Commission).
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I've already heard mention that some investigation of Bush's conduct in office will probably be instituted in the future. Right now the Dems are savoring their win and will proceed slowly at first. Don't look for too much rhetoric about this investigation until after the Dems take control in January. We still have two months of a lame duck Republican congress to endure.
205348
Just another republican way to control and spy on the American people...Bush sucks...Down with the shrubbery!
990994
Sorry i thought you meant leaker in valery plame.........\n\nHomeland security i have to read up....thanks.\n\n\nbut regarding the CIA leak.....\n\nMost likely it came from cheney and worked its way down...only time will tell.\n\nIt is sad when the white house is willing to not only take revenge on those who disagree with them but also\nbe willing to sacrifice our intellegence community as a warning to others.........\n\nJoe Wilson thinks its also a warning to others... \n\n\nScooter Libby has been indited for lying, Rove has not been charged but many feel he cut a deal, by the way it was phrased that they don't "anticipate" charges.....interesting.\n\nRegardless there is something dirty goin on and someone is covering up this act of treason.\n\n\nexcellent information regarding the leak and the \ndistrotion of intellegence......\nhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/view/
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Web Master has a point. Not only is it unethical, it resembles the workings of Stalin during the Cold War. But this isnt too unusual. HE seems to make bad and at that HORRIBLE descisions in the oval office, starting with rigging the election. This is a catastrophe, and it doesnt suprise me that his idea of public safety is ruining, ending, and controlling the lives of his citizens, letting the REAL bad guys reign havoc, and be done in time to kill some more of his own people and innocent civilians elsewhere.
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We've left the fox guarding the hen house and left the hen house door open.  There are certainly disturbing similarities between Bush's idea of his power and Hitler's.  Obviously illeagle wiretapping isn't as extreme as the murders of Hitler, but the idea of each that they are above the law and the supreme arbiter are a direct parallel.
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There's this little news story now,  it takes a large chunk of time on national news and print and tv,  remember its the thing about Bush authorizing the NSA to listen to cell phone calls.\n\nSo able danger ended with some admiral or general saying we were told not to pursue what we had cause some white house clinton lawyer told us not to go any farther,\nand now george bush's lawyer, the attorney general, is saying its legal for us to spy and take action\n\nkick @ss
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Why is this action that is happening against terrorist's and terrorist activities always being attached to Bush as if he was doing this alone and not in the name of our country.  We may have gone into Iraq for the wrong reasons, but we are there and to leave now would be more of a disaster than us being there so far.  On September 11, 2001 the terrorist's made an attack that finally got our attention.  That is what Osama bin Laden did was get our attention.  Last week people were rioting over the "Danish Cartoon Scandal" and chanting bin Laden attack them again.  What are we supposed to think?  Muslim's call for death to all infidels, which is most of the American Population and then I am told by someone here on this Forum that I misunderstand it is the Jews that want to kill everyone but them off.  Come on now which is it you want us attacked again, but we are supposed to believe that it is being done by Jews?  Are you doing the Jews work for them or do I just misunderstand what I am seeing everyday?  After Bush you will have another American president to hate along with all of us that are left to support them.  Bush is not King, Bush is not dictator, he is just an elected president of the greatest country on earth and you do not understand freedom and so you fear us.
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9/11 is a conspiracy and the perpretators are the one who is fighting fake terrorists. It was a well planned attack to create fear and to erode the freedom rights of the American people.\nCan't you see, now they are spying on your homes, peeking at your emails and tapping your phones to control you?\n\nBe aware but don't fear because justice will finally prevail and the truth will come out. The days of the Bushmen are numbered.
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Just when you think that Bush might actually be not breaking a law with one of his programs..... See the Stored Communications Act of 1986.\n\nIs specifically prohibits phone companies from turning over this type of information to government agencies. And like FISA, is not only directly on point but is being blatantly ignored by the Bush administration.
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It's not important.  No matter what the captured documents said, liberals whould just claim President Bush forged the documents, and planted them for "discovery".
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I am always suspicious of all these supposed documents and their content being released to the public. The timing, in my opinion, is eyebrow raising for sure. Bush's numbers at their lowest, Bin Laden still nowhere to be found, all of the corruption in Bush's admin, etc. and "We The People" are told again that another terrorist plot was foiled by Bush the Great and his mighty men. Maybe it was, but then again...Trotsky's experience is a shining example of how corruption and propaganda work hand in hand. \n\nIs GWB acting like Stalin? Maybe. We as common folk can't ever be certain anyone in any government is telling the truth about anything that's happening, not in Bush's regime, not in Stalin's, and certainly not in the next group of powermongers who will be running things here in the good ol' US of A.
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Unless you are engaging in activity that could be construed as aiding and abetting terrorism, I think you are being overly paranoid.\n\nThe government is engaging in those activities, but it has more to do with data mining. The government has a program called Tempest that is capable of monitoring electronics within the nation, but it does not do so arbitarily. Tempest runs in the background. When certain key phrases come up (for instance, "I want to kill the President"), Tempest roars to life and signals agents that someone to watch out for has been identified.\n\nThe government does not just arbitrarily say, "I think I'm gonna listen in on Sam's conversation tonight and see what pops up." That is like finding a needle in a haystack.
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You must have talked to the President recently,because as far as I know he admitted of spying after the 9/11 attacks of intercepting Messages coming from foreigners that might have Terrorist connections here,that's how they found out the Brooklin Bridge was a target,On the other hand spying was done on Americans like M.L King on the orders of Robert Kennedy,spying was done by Nixon on democratic headquarters,even Clinton ordered some spying because of terrorists in this country,the only difference is that Bush did not bother to get the warrants necesary,but after 9/11, congress themselves gave him the powers to protect this country,whether congress went into specifics on how it should be done is still not known
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To some degree the answer is "Yes", there is an ongoing threat of another attack somewhere in our country.\n\nThat being said, this is a very valid question.  To any thinking person, the Bush administration has lost most of it's credibility.  The old adage applies, "Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me".\n\nThere may have been a plot but I believe that what we've heard about it is probably exaggerated.  I think the real news story here is the timing between the disclosure of the "plot" and the controversy over the Domestic Spying Program.\n\nAlso, Jonathon Alter's column in this week's "Newsweek" discusses this.  Good reading.
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Not at all.\n\nThere are millions of people screaming, "Unfair! You are violating my rights!" Yet, how many people can actually say the have been a subject of the so-called "domesticy spying" program? How many people have actually had their phones tapped and conversations recorded?\n\nFor that matter, how many people have been the subject of a Patriot Act investigation? How many have had their library records looked at? How many have had their information spread across every intelligence agency in the nation?\n\nMy point is this: The only people who are being targeted are being targeted for a REASON. The government does not just indiscriminately say, "Let's listen in on John Q. Public's conversation for sh!ts and giggles today." Uncle Sam does not just pick phone numbers at random to listen to. There is a REASON they investigate who they do. And I, for one, WANT them investigated. If they are doing no wrong, the investigation will clear them. But if they ARE doing wrong, I sure as hell hope we are doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to stop them. The next attack could cost hundreds of thousands of American lives.\n\n"When NSA goes after the content of a communication under this authorization from the president, the NSA has already established its reasons for being interested in that specific communication. I've said in other places this isn't a drift net over Lackawanna or Freemont or Dearborn, grabbing all communications and then sifting them out."\n\n-- Gen. Michael Hayden (Deputy Director of National Intelligence)\n\nBottom line: If your phone hasn't been tapped, your rights have not been violated. If you are not engaging in any illegal activity, chances are 99.999% that you phone hasn't been tapped.
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What is all this bunk that Bush Lied?  Al Franken made these same comments on "Meet the Press" but he COULD NOT PROVE IT!  His only proof was, and this is pretty much word for word "because he's the president - he had to have fudged the evidence!"  \n\nALL of the evidence Bush used to convince congress to go to war, was collected under the Clinton administration, and was already WELL known by most of the ranking senators and congressmen.  The ONLY exception to this was the report that Saddam had been trying to purchase Uranium from Nigeria.  And this was collected by British intelligence - only later proven to be false.  The president has admitted, this last bit of intelligence was wrong, but his administration did not know that at the time!  And for the record, if you read the back pages of the papers (liberal media - burys it), the WMD's (mostly chemical) that Saddam was ordered to, and claimed were destroyed are being found all over the desert.  Not huge warehouse stockpiles, but banned weapons none the less.\n\nSecret warrentless wiretapping - from what I understand of this program, the wiretaps were only set on calls going to and from suspected terrorists OUTSIDE our country.  Listening to phone calls from suspected terrorists who are NOT citizens - and thus are not covered under the bill of rights.  The typical American has NOTHING to fear from this program.  This program actually helped to stop at least 2 known attacks, and who knows how many more, until a democratic whistle blower made it common knowledge!  If anyone dies in another attack that could have been prevented by this program - the New York Times and the whistle blowers should be charged with conspiracy to destroy our way of life.\n\nWhile the war in Iraq could have been handled differently, while numerous blunders have been made in the war on terror, and the Katrina response - Impeachment should not be used just because a political party disagrees with the president.  It should be reserved for cases where the president has demonstrated gross abuse of his authority, where the president HAS been found to be corrupt, where the president HAS been found to be lying.  Bush has made many questionable decisions, but as of yet has not done anything worthy of impeachment.\n\nClinton by comparison was investigated because of some shady financial dealings he and Hillary were involved with before running for President - Whitewater anyone?  Clinton also abused his authority as President to avoid a sexual harassment law-suite filed against him stemming from his days as Governor.  Both worthy causes for impeachment.  When it was discovered he was having yet another affair with Monica  - he was caught red handed in a lie to the grand jury.  Three strikes - usually means your out!