( FOR CHRISTIANS ) Can you tell me the connection between the Masonic Lodge and Satanism, if any?
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Freemasonry has a lot of bad things going on in it.\n\nSome of it is hard to understand.  \n\nThey basically worship Satan as (lucifer) and claim that Satan is the same as Jesus.  They wrongly use Isaiah 14:12, and you need to understand that Satan was never called “lucifer” by Isaiah.  Isaiah the Prophet called that fallen angel, Heylel (said as “hay-lale).  People often take away from the interpretation of the name, Heylel, too.\n\nForemost, the name means, to shine; and has relation to the sun, meaning that Heylel was ORIGINALLY a shining one. Heylel was once a radiant, good angel --- but he fell from grace.  He is no longer radiant, as he once was.\n\nHeylel, means to make a show, to rave and celebrate in rage, to boast, to be clamorous and foolish. This name is descriptive and also means the following: \n\nTo feign or falsify (misrepresent) one’s self\nTo be a counterfeit, a fake, or even a fraud\nTo make believe and pretend\nTo be mad against someone or something (mainly God --- but Satan hates humankind too)\n\nSatan’s name “Heylel” also has meaning of his title ‘The Adversary.”\n\nIsaiah was in NO way saying that Satan was a light bringer… he was saying instead – to Heylel – look!  You have fallen from heaven! ---  He was taunting him…\n\nFreemasons worship Heylel, calling him the light bringer, the light bearer, and the bright morning star.  Satan is a spirit of darkness, not of light!  They confuse Satan with Jesus.\n\nJesus, and him only, is the Light of the World.\n\nFew… high ranking masons will admit to this… but they do this.   Freemasonry also has many “demonic” symbols and rites as well.  It is basically occultism.  (most low ranking masons, maybe unware of this)\n\nNo Christian should be involved in freemasonry… because it denies Jesus… and can cause you to commit a sort of spiritual adultery with false religions.\n\nEdit: (I never said "Freemasonry" was some sort of 'religion' as Islam, so forth.  Freemasonry is 'just' wrong --- it acts occult --- by its practices)  Any practice of the people (world system) can be 'wrong' for Christians to be apart of if it contains 'bad' things.  \n\nPlease listen to the Spirit of the Lord... don't resist the Spirit!  Be careful with any such thing as Freemasonry... test it.
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Do a Google search to find out more about the Masons, because there's just too much tell you in such a small space.\nAs to whether or not they have anything to do with JFK's assassination and the black helicopters (whatever the heck they are!!!!!!!), I have no idea, but it's doubtful.
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WOW,  it looks like nobody on here has any clue what they are talking about.  As a Mason, I should be able to answer this question for you.\n\nTo become a Mason, you must merely be a good man who believes in a higher power.  Then you should ask a member of your local lodge to meet and discuss joining.  They will be happy to talk to you and get you started.\n\nWhen I joined, I had no idea what to expect.  I have since met many wonderful people and have learned a great deal about myself and others.  You really learn how to work well and serve your community through charity.  It is a great fraternal organization. \n\nThere will always be those who accuse Masons of being Satanic, or of being evil at the higher levels, but let me assure you that the higher degrees of Freemasonry are only a continuation of the first three, which recounts a legend that takes place during the building of King Solomon's temple.  As a 32nd degree Mason myself, I have never seen or heard anything to lead me to believe that anyone in our midst is a Satanist.  In fact, there are members of my lodge who are Christian ministers, Muslims, and Jews.\n\nContrary to what some may say about the higher degrees, those of us who are 32nd degree Masons are often the ones with more opportunity to do good work in the community.\n\nIf you take away nothing else from my writings here, know this....you will always learn more about Freemasonry from Masons than you will from people who are guessing about the fraternity or regurgitating opinions about what they have read.  Find out for yourself.  We are a noble institution that strives to make good men better.
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I believe the term is actually an occult state, not a cult state. I'm not 100% sure what that is, however, but I can tell you that occult literally means "hidden" if that helps.
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SHARON, I am the daughter of a man in the masons. Of course he had to make it sound so great-one of my brothers joined. they've been in a long time. I almost married a man who was beginning to go through all the Junk!!  I am a born again Christian, and believe me, God layed Freemasonry HEAVILY upon my heart. He even gave me a bunch of questions to ask anyone going into[or in ]the Masons. It was soooo hard having this stuff on my heart- I prayed to Jesus to choose someone else to bear the burden. I never married that man but Married a believer. I am so happy he is not into that.
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Yes, actually, I believe I do. If I remember correctly, they are part some kind of secret society of very wealthy people such as the Rothchilds, who worship satan and stuff like that. There are some political implications and the demonic influences are involved, but that's about all I can remember of what I have read about them.
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Hey, bud.  If you look hard enough, you should be able to find yourself a copy online.  That said, you're going to have to look pretty hard because the Church of Satan vociferously defends all of its copyrights and that includes Lavey's Satanic Bible.  If it's really worth it to you to read Lavey, I suggest you shell out the eight bucks at your local bookstore.  \n\nThat said, what you're describing doesn't fit into Lavey's concept of Satanism at all (at least in his later years, what he pushed early on is up for debate).  Anton Lavey taught that ultimately the individual is master of his own soul.  Going to anyone, be it Jehovah or Satan, for punishment or reward would be degradation from what I've read of LaVey.  \n\nBear in mind, I'm not saying your self-description is bad or your belief system faulty, I'm just saying maybe you need to look somewhere else to find information that would complement and grow your worldview.  Personally, I think that intuition that honor is owed to some of what we label good and some of what we label as evil is spot on.  Rather than accepting the definitions handed to you of Jehovah and Satan and viewing yourself as hedging bets between them, consider that this might be your soul nudging you in the direction of a more integrated, expansive definition of the Divine (and thus of yourself, as we usually aspire to be like what we honor).  I kind of agree with our concerned Christian friends - believing in both Jehovah and Satan will lead to spiritual and mental fracture.  It might be best to let go of both of them and move on to a definition that you map out for yourself.\n\nIf you're interested in going that route, I suggest you take a look at the Internet Sacred Text Archive.  They've got a lot of information for you to explore on your own (if you're really interested in satanism, go to their search page and shoot that into the system and see what you get), but not Lavey's Satanic Bible.  \n\nhttp://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm\n\nGood journey to you.
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I am a 5th generation Freemason, and I have found it be a rewarding experience.  Please feel free to email me with any questions you have.  There is very little that is actually secret, and I will be glad to share as much information with you as possible.
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what kind of cult are you looking to view.  There are a lot out there.  I know that there was a church in Dallas that went to a cult view and praises the Devil now.  Is that really what you want to do?  Think about it because it will only make your life more turbulent.
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I go to a church where they cast out demons. It's called a "deliverance ministry". Just last week, there was a woman there, who had about 12 different demons expelled from her.  I think maybe people have been desensitized to the reality of demonic spirits by all the horror movies they've seen over the years.  They've come to believe that they're just a part of sensationalized fiction, rather then reality.  But in fact, there are probably thousands of people in America right now, that are possessed by evil spirits, and they don't even know it.  They've opened the doorway to darkness by getting involved in occult practices, such as witchcraft and satanism.  T.V. Shows like "Charmed", have made witchcraft look like harmless fun, when in fact, it is a very dangerous practice.  It's all a part of Satan's plan to destroy the minds of our youth, and send them to hell.  That's because the Devil is already doomed to spend an eternity there, and he wants to take as many young people along with him as he possibly can.
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suggest you contact " those in the know " directly rather than asking here. go to the local Masonic Lodge and find out for yourself and in person as there are many here who have wrong information. if a local Lodge is not available go to the Grand Lodge Site of the State you reside in.
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As a three time Past Master of my Masonic Lodge and a Christian Pastor I can tell you that there are many myths about masonry.\nIt is strictly a fraternal organization that teaches brotherly love, relief and truth.\nIt does not promote any one religion but does admonish you to read the BIBLE and make it the rule and guide of your life.
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they do seem to have some christian based beliefs but mostly not, check the last paragraph to see their influences.\n\nThe Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (or "Golden Dawn", as it is commonly referred to) is a tradition of magical theurgy and spiritual development. It is probably the single greatest influence on twentieth century western occultism. Concepts of magic and ritual that became core elements of many other traditions, including Wicca, Thelema and other forms of magical spirituality popular today, are drawn from the Golden Dawn traditions.\n\nThe three founders, Dr. William Robert Woodman, William Wynn Westcott, and Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers were Freemasons and members of Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia (S.R.I.A.).[1] an appendant body to Freemasonry. Westcott, also a member of the Theosophical Society, appears to have been the initial driving force behind the establishment of the Golden Dawn.\n\nInfluences on Golden Dawn concepts and work include: Christian mysticism, Kabbalah, Hermeticism, Paganism of Egypt, Theurgy, Freemasonry, Alchemy, Theosophy, Eliphas Levi, Papus, Enochian magic, and medieval grimoires.
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The Order of the Fraternity of the Illuminati, also known as the Brotherhood of the Light which also yet possess another name as the Occult Society of the Luminaries, was an occultic secret society founded in the 17th-century Europe.  Contradictory to what the media's stereo-typings, this society has absolutely nothing to do with political powers in either the Old or the New Worlds.\n\nThe Illuminati were highly occultic and secretive centuries ago; thus, if, and only IF, they still exist into this modern-age, the secrecy will not be any less.  The society was based upon the occultism which was very popular during the 17th-18th centuries.  The core of the Illuminati's occultism would be based around Qabbalistc Christianity which was the most popular occultic mysticism in Europe of that era.\n\nNow, there ARE over a dozen of societies out there who claim to be the Illuminati or descented from the Illuminati; in my own personal opinion, none of those claims are true, no-matter how secretive their societies pretends to be.  The Illuminati were a spiritual occultic society, not some political power-hungary shadow government.\n\nThere are hints in the European history which can lead one to some informations on the Illuminati but, those are to be researched and studied from the occultism and mysticism.  Any attempt to find the fact from the media's stereo-typings and those political power-hungary societies will take the reseacher further away from the truth.  In general, to answer your question:\n\n"Yes, they DID once exist, BUT are they still in existence is of another question"...and there WILL be people jump-out and claim they are the Illuminati...my suggestion?  Best NOT to take them seriously.
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I thought HIM was a christian band. Maybe not, I don't know. Besides, vampires aren't necessarily satanic. The vampire lore comes from many different countries, christian or not, and does not really have any specific origins in christian folklore. In fact the vampire myths are so ancient that they surpass christianity in age. So you can tell him that. \nBut I don't think you're going to persuade your friend. No offense but he sounds a bit um...closeminded. And if a band sings about a vampire, that doesn't mean they like vampires either.\nBy the way, I just looked at their website and the symol is very very similar to the satanic symbol, which was stolen from witchcraft by the way. Satanists are so unorginal.\nBut no, the symbol isn't exactly the same, because the top parts don't end in points like they should.\n\nThis is the satanic symbol as it should appear.\nhttp://www.religion-spirituality.org/images/satanismsymbol.gif\n\nSo you see, they are similar, but the one for HIM isn't close enough (for me at least) to consider them satanic.\n\nMy mistake. The orignal one I had a link to was freemason.Oopsy.
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Dude...it depends on who you ask.  If you know a Freemason, they'll tell they don't worship the devil and they are community service oriented.  However, if you believe conspiracy theorists, they worship the devil and they actually have to kill someone in order to be dubbed Grand Marshall of their group.  For the most part, I think the conspiracy theorists just like most people don't like the secrecy around Freemason and made stuff up...just like the Spanish Inquisition.
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First off...I say no.\n\nSecond of all, perhaps there's more to consider.  \n\nAsk yourself WHY satan appeared as a serpent in the garden?  (hit...satan always tries to decieve).\n\nIn Exodus, when the children of Israel are being afflicted by the "flying serpents" moses puts a serpent on a cross (um...symbolic) and says "look to the serpent to live".\n\nThis is not doctrine of my faith, however I sincerly believe that at one point the serpent was a symbol of christ rather than of satan.  Satan appeared in a manner trying to mimick christ and therefore decieve eve.  Moses knew this symbology but it's since been forgotten.\n\nI believe the snake was originally a symbol of Christ.