What are the differences between this and Tokina's 12-24mm zoom? The 12-24mm zoom has f-stop range of f4 to f5.6, while this one has a much wider f 2.8 to f22. However, the other camera has a much wider zoom range, and the difference in price is considerable. Are there any differences in terms of quality that I should know about, or can I safely consider only the specifications of the two lenses? What are the differences between this and Tokina's 12-24mm zoom? The 12-24mm zoom has f-stop range of f4 to f5.6, while this one has a much wider f 2.8 to f22. However, the other camera has a... » Read More What are the differences between this and Tokina's 12-24mm zoom? The 12-24mm zoom has f-stop range of f4 to f5.6, while this one has a much wider f 2.8 to f22. However, the other camera has a much wider zoom range, and the difference in price is considerable. Are there any differences in terms of quality that I should know about, or can I safely consider only the specifications of the two lenses? « Show Less
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OK, thanks a lot for the information. I'm in no hurry at all; I usually dither for several months before making a decision.
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The Tokina 12-24mm is a constant F/4 throughout the zoom range (from 12-24mm). It does not drop the 5.6 on the long end.
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The difference is 1mm wider on the wide end and doesn't have as wide of a zoom range (8mm less on the long end). In exchange for a very limited zoom range, you get 1 stop more light to your sensor.I have the 11-16mm and wouldn't trade it for the 12-24 unless I needed more overlap with my other lenses. As it is right now, I have nice coverage from 11-200 with only small gaps (16-17mm and 55-70mm) and a constant f/2.8 or better.
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You can consider the specifications, both lenses are very highly reviewed. You are right, you are making a choice between zoom range and aperture. For me aperture always wins, but, that is me.
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Thanks for your advice. Aperture would normally win with me also, but there's also the price difference to consider. I'm considering the Canon 10-22 mm, too, which is about the same price as the Tokina 11-16; that has the additional advantage of being much lighter, too. I'm really finding it very hard to make up my mind.
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Most reviews I have seen give the 11-16 a bit of an advantage in image quality, especially at f/4. The range of 12-24 would be an advantage to me.
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Just in case you run across it there is an older model of the 12-24mm that had flair/ghosting issues, the newer one has better coatings which has taken care of the issue.one with flair/ghosting issues: Tokina 12-24mm f/4.0 ATX Pro DX Zoom Lensone with better coatings: Tokina 12-24/4.0 Pro II Zoom Lens
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Oh, it just dawned on me, the price of the 11-16 here on Amazon is inflated. Go to Amazon seller directly at http://www.adorama.com/TN1116EOS.html ($599), I ordered mine there, even though it showed out of stock, it still shipped within a week. I can't say you'll have same results, but, if you aren't in a big hurry that is the way to go.
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Here's the deal:F8-older model==> NON wide lens, better quality photos, faster sensor resulting SLIGHTLY better pictures in low lightF18-newer model==> Wide lens, good pictures but slightly less sharper than F8 due to wider lens and more crammed pixels onto the same sensor.And the reason wht the FZ8 get better reviews than the F18 for the points mentioned above.SS
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I bought the 24-105 lens recently because I thought the IS would make up for my lack of a higher aperture in low-light situations. It does to an extent, but I have decided that I want the f/2.8 for other reasons. So I'm trying to sell my 24-105 so I can buy the 24-70. I do wish the 24-70 had IS, but it's really not necessary because it's just a faster lens. It really depends on your use. If you are using it for weddings, you may want to consider the 24-70 because of the faster focusing and better handling in low-light situations. If you are using it for a general walk-around lens, the 24-105 will do just fine. I love mine and I almost want to keep it and buy the 24-70, but I can't afford both right now and I need the 24-70 for my business. You can see some sample photos from the 24-105 at my website: www.sarakelley.net. Email me there if you want more input or have any questions.
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The 2.8 works great for indoor pictures and the image quality difference is minimal. I've used both and I dont see any reason to buy the f/4 besides saving money. In April, Canon is updating the 2.8 lens with updated optics and the new IS. Alos the minimum focusing distance is shortened to just under 4 feet. I will be upgrading lenses at that time for sure. After having both lenses, my f/2.8 lens is the one that lives on the camera 95% of the time.
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Which lenses? In any event, the f-stop is printed on the lens, either on the barrel or the ring around the glass at the front. For instance, on my 12-50 mm zoom the f-stop range is 3.5-6.3 and is written "1:3.5-6.3". F-stop is the ratio of the diameter of the lens opening to the focal length, so on a zoom lens the maximum f-stop depends on the focal length the lens is set to. The longer the zoom length (20 mm vs 45 mm for example) the smaller the f-stop. Know that the scale is reverse, the more light a lens passes the closer the f-stop number is to 0. For example f/3.5 passes way more light than f/11. Do an online search for "F-stop" and you should find a reference to a Wikipedia article explaining it. Hope you like the camera as much as I do.
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This is the difference in the fixed lenses on the unit. 2.8mm gives you the widest view and is generally the most common, 12mm gives a zoomed in image. So if you are putting the cameras in a tight room go with the 2.8 if you want to see down a long hallway or view far away go with a higher one.
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I think the 24-120 is considerably more usable, and the f2.8 is not really necessary for low light with the D750 sensor. The f2.8 offers shorter Depth of Field, if that's the important thing to you. I have a 24-85mm f2.8-4D (I don't like the G version) that I use for this range on my D800E, mostly. It's a lot smaller and lighter than the 24-120 f4, with similar optical performance. It lacks the 24-120 VR.The 24-70 is by far the largest and heaviest of the lenses I've mentioned, a negative for me.
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The S95 has a nice f/2.0 lens, while the G12 is f/2.8. However, just about everything else tips the G12's way. The ergonomics are better (it actually helps a lot that it's significantly larger), it has a built-in optical neutral density filter that buys an extra three stops in bright light, and slightly longer zoom. The G12 is absolutely killer.
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I have a Nikon 12-200 with the D200 camera. Do you think it is worth getting the Tokina 12-24 for the extra wide angle that it offers?
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If you are referring to the F2.8 versions of both lenses they are about the same size and weight and such the lower the f stop number it shows the larger the lense typically. (So wider it can open the larger the lense ). Small lenses will be ones that can't open less then 4.0 f stop any mid to high grade lense will be larger than the base lenses in size and weight that being said the lense I bought is notHeavy and is not bad the larger 70-300 f2.8 is very large and heavy enough I mount the tripod to the lense not the camer as to Much strain to the mounts between the camera and lense would cause damage over time. If you are referring to the F2.8 versions of both lenses they are about the same size and weight and such the lower the f stop number it shows the larger the lense typically. (So wider it can open the larger the lense ). Small lenses will be ones that can't open less then 4.0 f stop any mid to high grade lense will be larger than the base lenses in size and weight that being said the lense I bought is notHeavy and is not bad the larger 70-300 f2.8 is very large and heavy enough I mount the tripod to the lense not the camer as to Much strain to the mounts between the camera and lense... » Read More If you are referring to the F2.8 versions of both lenses they are about the same size and weight and such the lower the f stop number it shows the larger the lense typically. (So wider it can open the larger the lense ). Small lenses will be ones that can't open less then 4.0 f stop any mid to high grade lense will be larger than the base lenses in size and weight that being said the lense I bought is notHeavy and is not bad the larger 70-300 f2.8 is very large and heavy enough I mount the tripod to the lense not the camer as to Much strain to the mounts between the camera and lense would cause damage over time. « Show Less
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A prime lens will always have optimized optics for the focal length it is (because there is only one). A zoom will have to have compromises, even if minor, due to moving parts/optics/etc. I own a tokina zoom that is quite good, but second-tier lens makers can also have quality concerns compared to the major manufacturers. If you can actually resolve the optical issues (if any) is another issue. It's easy to find fault of a lens with a picture blown up to 100%+ on a big computer screen. Much tougher at practical sizes and print. So don't sweat it. That saiid, this is a marvelous lens with great optics and low-light capability in a reasonably compact size. Highly recommended. A prime lens will always have optimized optics for the focal length it is (because there is only one). A zoom will have to have compromises, even if minor, due to moving parts/optics/etc. I own a tokina zoom that is quite good, but second-tier lens makers can also have quality concerns compared to the major manufacturers. If you can actually resolve the optical issues (if any) is another issue. It's easy to find fault of a lens with a picture blown up to 100%+ on a big computer screen. Much tougher at practical sizes and print. So don't sweat it. That saiid, this is a marvelous lens with... » Read More A prime lens will always have optimized optics for the focal length it is (because there is only one). A zoom will have to have compromises, even if minor, due to moving parts/optics/etc. I own a tokina zoom that is quite good, but second-tier lens makers can also have quality concerns compared to the major manufacturers. If you can actually resolve the optical issues (if any) is another issue. It's easy to find fault of a lens with a picture blown up to 100%+ on a big computer screen. Much tougher at practical sizes and print. So don't sweat it. That saiid, this is a marvelous lens with great optics and low-light capability in a reasonably compact size. Highly recommended. « Show Less
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I've owned both, heres my opinion: the 24-105mm is best for a travel lens when you dont wanna be annoyed by changing lenses. The 24mm f/2.8 is more if you want the best sharpness and contrast with less destortion. It is in the pro league of prime lenses. The zoom lens is just a good but not great all arounder that does a lot though.
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Its a great lens but obviously very different from the 10-18mm f4. I use the 24mm Zeiss almost exclusively indoors because it gets me to an equivalent focal length close to 35mm and helps with low light because of the wide 1.8 aperture. It also gets the nice shallow depth of field with that wide aperture and nice bokeh. I would love to own the 10-18 f4 but it would really be for a totally different purpose - super wide outdoor landscapes. Also, it's a slower lens with that f4 aperture and won't get a shallow depth of field under really any circumstances.
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The SEL16F28 is not any wider angle than the stock 16-50 zoom lens, but there are a few differences. First off, the lowest f-stop on the stock 16-50 lens is 3.5 while this SEL16F28 goes to an f-stop of 2.8, which gives you a bit more control of your light. Another key difference is that if you want to use the ultra-wide angle or fish-eye attachments (both of which give a wider angle view) they connect to this SEL16F28 lens and not the stock zoom one. The biggest difference is that shooting with a prime, or non-zoom, lens is that it forces you to shoot differently and move yourself into position rather than relying on the zoom to get you there. All the Best, adam
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The FZ200 has a 2.8 lens for the full range of the zoom, making it better for lower light photography. The 2.8 lens in more expensive to make. The FZ70 has a variable aperture lens. Both cameras are amazing!
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The f/# changes as you zoom the lens. At 24mm it is f/2.8, at 85mm it is f/4.0.
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You are trading Cannon's wider zoom range for Tokina's speed and price. I switched from the Tokina 12-24mm F4.0 to this lens and will never go back. The f2.8 gives unbeatable speed in low light and shallow depth of field. If that is what you want, you will never regret getting this lens.