Canon MX860 vs. MX850: ~10% slower and no OCR? Can anyone provide some firsthand input on the differences between Canon's MX850 AIO printer and its replacement, the MX860? Judging by Canon's web site, the new model just adds wireless networking, but deletes the OmniPage SE OCR software. (Canon giveth, Canon taketh away.) The MX860 specifications also suggest that on standardized page printing tests it is about 10% slower than the older model, 8.6 pages/min vs. 9.4 pages/min, while 4x6 photo printing times have doubled. Canon also changed the cartridges used to the CL220/221 series with the new model. Are these differences in Canon's posted specifications for the MX860 real or just a marketing oversight? Canon MX860 vs. MX850: ~10% slower and no OCR? Can anyone provide some firsthand input on the differences between Canon's MX850 AIO printer and its replacement, the MX860? Judging by... » Read More Canon MX860 vs. MX850: ~10% slower and no OCR? Can anyone provide some firsthand input on the differences between Canon's MX850 AIO printer and its replacement, the MX860? Judging by Canon's web site, the new model just adds wireless networking, but deletes the OmniPage SE OCR software. (Canon giveth, Canon taketh away.) The MX860 specifications also suggest that on standardized page printing tests it is about 10% slower than the older model, 8.6 pages/min vs. 9.4 pages/min, while 4x6 photo printing times have doubled. Canon also changed the cartridges used to the CL220/221 series with the new model. Are these differences in Canon's posted specifications for the MX860 real or just a marketing oversight? « Show Less
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For me, the trapezoidal top of the MX860 appears especially unaesthetic. The MX850 is by far sleeker. As they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Among all the printers currently out on the market, the new Epson printers (Workforce 600 and Artisan 800) are perhaps the most attractively and ingeniously designed. Their tops fold inward to become ADF input and output trays. Both offer WiFi. Unfortunately, their text printing quality leaves much to be desired compared to Canon's printers.
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This appears to be due to a change in the standard used to make speed measurements (which are notoriously useless for printer comparisons). Canon is now using ISO/IEC FCD 24734 for the 860, while the 850 was measured using "conventional PPM", whatever that is. Maybe the new ISO standard will be more useful for comparisons.
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TM said "The MX860 only has 2400 x 4800 dpi and the MX850 has 4800 x 9600 dpi"If you do get the MX850, try scanning at full resolution and report the result. In my experience a scan attempt at 4800 dpi will make an average systems crawl. That's a huge image, requires a good amount of ram, the swap will be terrible otherwise and is very slow. I can't imagine what a 9600 dpi scan will do.I would worry more about the scan quality rather than DPI, focusing on details and color reproduction. Unless you're a graphic/multimedia design I can't possibly see a use for a 9600dpi, but that's just my 5 cents. TM said "The MX860 only has 2400 x 4800 dpi and the MX850 has 4800 x 9600 dpi"If you do get the MX850, try scanning at full resolution and report the result. In my experience a scan attempt at 4800 dpi will make an average systems crawl. That's a huge image, requires a good amount of ram, the swap will be terrible otherwise and is very slow. I can't imagine what a 9600 dpi scan will do.I would worry more about the scan quality rather than DPI, focusing on details and color reproduction. Unless you're a graphic/multimedia design I can't possibly see a use... » Read More TM said "The MX860 only has 2400 x 4800 dpi and the MX850 has 4800 x 9600 dpi"If you do get the MX850, try scanning at full resolution and report the result. In my experience a scan attempt at 4800 dpi will make an average systems crawl. That's a huge image, requires a good amount of ram, the swap will be terrible otherwise and is very slow. I can't imagine what a 9600 dpi scan will do.I would worry more about the scan quality rather than DPI, focusing on details and color reproduction. Unless you're a graphic/multimedia design I can't possibly see a use for a 9600dpi, but that's just my 5 cents. « Show Less
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>For some low end printers, it's almost cheaper to buy a new printer than to buy replacement cartridges.Exactly, I just bought the MX860 and will test it against HP C7280 (both brand new still in box). Problem is that I can't find third-party toner for the MX860. Those CLI-221 are availible only without chips and I am worried that to some design and patent scheme that will not change. I am guessing that replacing a full set of toner twice will be more than the initial printer cost. For HP I can find descent (according to some reviews) third-party toner. Yet I am guessing the MX860 is a better machine...I'll have some decisions to make. >For some low end printers, it's almost cheaper to buy a new printer than to buy replacement cartridges.Exactly, I just bought the MX860 and will test it against HP C7280 (both brand new still in box). Problem is that I can't find third-party toner for the MX860. Those CLI-221 are availible only without chips and I am worried that to some design and patent scheme that will not change. I am guessing that replacing a full set of toner twice will be more than the initial printer cost. For HP I can find descent (according to some reviews) third-party toner. Yet I am guessing the... » Read More >For some low end printers, it's almost cheaper to buy a new printer than to buy replacement cartridges.Exactly, I just bought the MX860 and will test it against HP C7280 (both brand new still in box). Problem is that I can't find third-party toner for the MX860. Those CLI-221 are availible only without chips and I am worried that to some design and patent scheme that will not change. I am guessing that replacing a full set of toner twice will be more than the initial printer cost. For HP I can find descent (according to some reviews) third-party toner. Yet I am guessing the MX860 is a better machine...I'll have some decisions to make. « Show Less
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You have a point there but to me MX860 is a more attractive machine than MX850...and I really want to have WI-FI even though I can go as far as using a wireless bridge, I don't want to. Plus it remains to be seen which machine produces better quality prints for those occasions when I do want a lab-like print out. For now, there is not enough reviews out there from sites like CNET.Although interestingly enough, looking at the specs I see that MX850 has a lot more print nozzles then MX860...wonder what that means in terms of quality or maybe that's why 860 is slower. In either case, I'll give 860 a shot. But if Wi-FI wasn't a "really-want-to-have" feature for me, I would consider MX850. You have a point there but to me MX860 is a more attractive machine than MX850...and I really want to have WI-FI even though I can go as far as using a wireless bridge, I don't want to. Plus it remains to be seen which machine produces better quality prints for those occasions when I do want a lab-like print out. For now, there is not enough reviews out there from sites like CNET.Although interestingly enough, looking at the specs I see that MX850 has a lot more print nozzles then MX860...wonder what that means in terms of quality or maybe that's why 860 is slower. In either... » Read More You have a point there but to me MX860 is a more attractive machine than MX850...and I really want to have WI-FI even though I can go as far as using a wireless bridge, I don't want to. Plus it remains to be seen which machine produces better quality prints for those occasions when I do want a lab-like print out. For now, there is not enough reviews out there from sites like CNET.Although interestingly enough, looking at the specs I see that MX850 has a lot more print nozzles then MX860...wonder what that means in terms of quality or maybe that's why 860 is slower. In either case, I'll give 860 a shot. But if Wi-FI wasn't a "really-want-to-have" feature for me, I would consider MX850. « Show Less
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I'm a bit confused by this post. I just compared the costs of the MX850 ink to the MX860 ink (here on Amazon and on Canon's website) and I found the MX860 ink to actually be less expensive. The Pigment Black, Standard Black, and Color cartridges for the MX860 were $2-3 less expensive than the MX850 equivalents. Could this have been a recent change?Also, could you tell us where you found the volume measurements for the cartridges. I wasn't able to find those anywhere.
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Hello John.I ordered Skia ink for my MX922 printer and so far so good. No complaint at all. And I can still use the Canon applications that check for a CHIP because the cartridges also have a CHIP.Kind regards,Luc.
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I don't know about Windows 8, but as far as I'm concerned it isn't even worth worrying about... Nasty flimsy printer, horrid customer service - the 7510 replaced an older worn-out HP all-in-one which was fine/better quality, but which left behind an HP embedded printer file which took 4 hours to remove (including 2 1/2 hours with HP tech support in India taking over my computer remotely) before I could even install the 7510. (I getting a double-window popup on my screen, which I couldn't get rid of and finally Googled to find it was an HP printer file. There were MANY other people on the forum with the same issue...) This printer also no longer has HP Solution Center support - according to HP: Microsoft required HP to use MS print software with its new printers.. Really?! I guess I'm supposed to have "stupid" stamped on my forehead? The custom options for printing are drastically reduced. I bought add'l large capacity cartidges, which were defective... I've been a loyal HP customer for 35 years, but will never buy another HP product! I gave the new 7510 to a friend for his kids to play with... BUY A CANON! I'm very happy with the Canon MX892 (I even bought an extra to have on hand.) This printer is solid, easy to set up, prints quality photos, has all the customizable print options HP used to have +, and is miles above the new HP "quality"!
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My own experience is that printing to the MX860 after upgrading to Win 7 64 bit from Vista Home Premium 64 bit was AOK BUT the scanner won't work with Win 7.
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I have the MX 860. This printer has a paper bin in the rear and allows heavy stock to pass straight thru without rolling around a platen roller. The next generation printers did not have this feature. It was worth the money for me. I expect another 4 years of printing from it. It was very easy to replace also. Just let the printer re-calibrate for 10 minutes or so. I would put new print cartridges in also.
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I recumend the MX522 Pixma Printer, which is Icloud ready print. I know, because I went through all of this just recently!!!If there any questions, please e-mail me again. I hope I was of some help.Sincerely,V. Pretty
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Thanks, Michele. I'm surprised, too by your comments about the colours. After being advised that the cartridges for the MX860 were very expensive and that the MX850 had problems connecting wirelessly, I ended up buying an Epson TX800FW. The few photos I've printed look ok to me. (I'm not a pro). It's been great to have a fax. One if its drawbacks is only one full-sized paper tray. I've yet to fully test out the machine.
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I am honestly not sure. I bought it for the MX870 and ended up throwing out the printer with over $100 of fresh ink and this cartridge after trying everything to make it work. The online suggestions to fix the error my printer was giving were taking a sledgehammer to it, throwing it out a window, and driving over it with a truck. I thought they were joking... they were not. :( I really wish someone had told me to just go buy a new printer because once all of the replacement parts and inks are open, they cannot be returned and we spent less on a new model printer than we did on the parts attempting to fix the old one. Best of luck whichever way you choose to go.
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I'm wondering the same thing. Canon's website doesn't even have this printer listed and I just bought it!
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The MX870 printer is multifaceted. It prints envelopes, booklets, photos and etc. It also staples. I have owned the printer since December and I'm still learning about its features.. It has only one paper tray.
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I upgraded to the Pro9000 from the S9000 a little over a year ago, because I wanted the ability to print on printable CD-Rs. (I had to buy the CD tray from an eBay vendor and download the Canon CD printing application from Canon's UK website, and make the physical and electronic changes to the printer myself, but it's all doable ... did the same to my Pixma 5200 a couple of years ago.)In addition to the CD printing capability, I also like the Pro's more intelligent paper and envelope handling. I've never used the straight-through paper path or the front USB (PictBridge) port, but you never know when they might come in handy. I upgraded to the Pro9000 from the S9000 a little over a year ago, because I wanted the ability to print on printable CD-Rs. (I had to buy the CD tray from an eBay vendor and download the Canon CD printing application from Canon's UK website, and make the physical and electronic changes to the printer myself, but it's all doable ... did the same to my Pixma 5200 a couple of years ago.)In addition to the CD printing capability, I also like the Pro's more intelligent paper and envelope handling. I've never used the straight-through paper path or the front USB (PictBridge) port,... » Read More I upgraded to the Pro9000 from the S9000 a little over a year ago, because I wanted the ability to print on printable CD-Rs. (I had to buy the CD tray from an eBay vendor and download the Canon CD printing application from Canon's UK website, and make the physical and electronic changes to the printer myself, but it's all doable ... did the same to my Pixma 5200 a couple of years ago.)In addition to the CD printing capability, I also like the Pro's more intelligent paper and envelope handling. I've never used the straight-through paper path or the front USB (PictBridge) port, but you never know when they might come in handy. « Show Less
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I've only had my MX850 for a week - and yes the installation is confusing - especially if you plan on using it as a networked printer, but once I got it figured out it's working very well under 10.5 Leopard. Have printed from various apps (Preview.app / Adobe InDesign / etc.) without any issues. The network scan works great. So far I am pretty happy with this purchase with exception of the network setup which is very confusing (you have to hook a computer to the printer via USB before you can use it over the network! :/)
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Hi Cat Lover, I have this model and it replaced a similar Cannon I had for 25 years. It does not require a computer, does not print in color and takes a standard cartridge. The cartridge for my old copier was expensive, maybe $85, and I figured that for another $35 I could get the whole thing including a new copier. I like the copier as it now needs no warm up time as it's an LED light source. The only problem I have with it is that the copies are a little lighter that my old copier. The printer is efficient and so cartridges last a little longer.I've had it about a year with no problems.gdollar Hi Cat Lover, I have this model and it replaced a similar Cannon I had for 25 years. It does not require a computer, does not print in color and takes a standard cartridge. The cartridge for my old copier was expensive, maybe $85, and I figured that for another $35 I could get the whole thing including a new copier. I like the copier as it now needs no warm up time as it's an LED light source. The only problem I have with it is that the copies are a little lighter that my old copier. The printer is efficient and so cartridges last a little longer.I've had it about a year with no... » Read More Hi Cat Lover, I have this model and it replaced a similar Cannon I had for 25 years. It does not require a computer, does not print in color and takes a standard cartridge. The cartridge for my old copier was expensive, maybe $85, and I figured that for another $35 I could get the whole thing including a new copier. I like the copier as it now needs no warm up time as it's an LED light source. The only problem I have with it is that the copies are a little lighter that my old copier. The printer is efficient and so cartridges last a little longer.I've had it about a year with no problems.gdollar « Show Less
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The HL2280DW has copy and scan capabilities, which were additional features that I needed in a printer. If the copy/scan features were not desired then I would have purchased the HL2270DW. These two printers appear to be the same with exception of the copy/scan features. I don't know of any real advantages of purchasing one over the other. It's all about the features that one requires in a printer.
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That's the only difference I noticed. This printer is fantastically fast. It is truly the best printer I have ever own or seen. You will love it, I am sure!
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Amazon asked me to respond but I found the machine too be cheap and I was told to throw it out, and I got my $ back.I bought a Canon MX922 and the print quality is far superior (and no constant paper jamming)!
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I just upgraded my 8600 plus to the 8620 today and have aleady noticed alot of little enhacements. The automatic document feeder is more reliable and handles larger loads. Duplex printing is much faster. The output tray is less sticky and doesn't jam as easily when you pull it out.