pio vsx9040txh vs pio vsx-21txh elite I find the ratings amusing and confusing on these two receivers. while they are supposedly the same, why does the 9040 rate a 5 star and the S1 Elite 4 stars? Something is amiss here. Inherrent error in human perception? pio vsx9040txh vs pio vsx-21txh elite I find the ratings amusing and confusing on these two receivers. while they are supposedly the same, why does the 9040 rate a 5 star and the S1 Elite 4 stars?... » Read More pio vsx9040txh vs pio vsx-21txh elite I find the ratings amusing and confusing on these two receivers. while they are supposedly the same, why does the 9040 rate a 5 star and the S1 Elite 4 stars? Something is amiss here. Inherrent error in human perception? « Show Less
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I found it on the US site:http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Shop/Home/AV-Receivers/Models/VSX-9040TXH
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Actually a 4 1/2 star rating for the Elite. Every lower review that I've read doesn't once knock the sound or anything that is important in a receiver. One person dinged it for not having HD radio, which isn't a deal breaker for me. Another person dinged the score because the receiver is too complicated to operate. Very minor things that shouldn't detract anyone from buying either model, both of which are clones of each other. I own the non Elite badged version and couldn't be happier with my purchase.
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William: Since you've had the 9040 for a week now, could you please be more specific and give us some details about what you have experienced? Does it do a great job of upscaling non-hd material to 1080p? I plan on buying one, but need to hear from someone how it performs when hooked up to an HDTV and/or Home theater system.? I would appreciate any additional information you can provide so I can learn a little more prior to pulling the trigger on this a/v receiver. Thank a lot William.
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The 1020 uses much cheaper parts than the 9040, as the 9040 is the same as an Elite but without the Elite branding. The 1020 is also 80 watts x2 while the 9040 is 110 x2. The 1018 is even far superior to both the 1019
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One of the posters talks about the picture quality while using non-HDTV. I think he said he has it in a trailer, so no HDTV. Also, this unit doesn't have an S-Video connection, which is what is needed to get the best quality standard def. picture (at least that's my understanding). Which tells me that this unit is really not intended mainly for standard def viewing. Vizio, Sharp, and Philips make some units still with S-video connections. Maybe some others do, too, but so far I've found only those three brands. And if I had to guess, I would guess that eventually they'll all stop putting in S-Video connections, as more and more people start subscribing to HDTV. One of the posters talks about the picture quality while using non-HDTV. I think he said he has it in a trailer, so no HDTV. Also, this unit doesn't have an S-Video connection, which is what is needed to get the best quality standard def. picture (at least that's my understanding). Which tells me that this unit is really not intended mainly for standard def viewing. Vizio, Sharp, and Philips make some units still with S-video connections. Maybe some others do, too, but so far I've found only those three brands. And if I had to guess, I would guess that eventually they'll all stop putting in... » Read More One of the posters talks about the picture quality while using non-HDTV. I think he said he has it in a trailer, so no HDTV. Also, this unit doesn't have an S-Video connection, which is what is needed to get the best quality standard def. picture (at least that's my understanding). Which tells me that this unit is really not intended mainly for standard def viewing. Vizio, Sharp, and Philips make some units still with S-video connections. Maybe some others do, too, but so far I've found only those three brands. And if I had to guess, I would guess that eventually they'll all stop putting in S-Video connections, as more and more people start subscribing to HDTV. « Show Less
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Robb, Thanks for your input. Before I installed the Series II to its designated spot in my home, I tested them by letting them sit in my family room HT system (TSi 400, CS10, RTi4,and PSW111) but it did not sound as good as TSI400, especdially in mid range - solo violin and piano did not sound clean. As I purchased Monitor 70 as it is supposed be an old model of TSi500. I hope the SeriesII was not designed to sell a cheaper model with cheaper price. As CS10 might be the reason for a poor mid range, I will continue to figure out how to work it out.
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According to Pioneer's page, June. More here: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/PioneerReceivers/ci.VSX-1120-K.Kuro http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1232682&page=4
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Where did you get this information? Don't spread false rumors please. On the netgear forums you can actually see people post pics of both pcbs with identical components. Nothing was changed except the outer box. THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME. 3700 v2 has not come out yet. Pretty much all you want is to look for the rev21 boards as those are the best ones out there. For the 3700 usually a red box means its rev21 the yellow boxe means you need to check the upc to make sure. 37av is the same as a red box rev21.The major rev you need to stay away from is rev15, its reported with the most major problems.http://forum1.netgear.com/showthread.php?t=52714&page;=1 Where did you get this information? Don't spread false rumors please. On the netgear forums you can actually see people post pics of both pcbs with identical components. Nothing was changed except the outer box. THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME. 3700 v2 has not come out yet. Pretty much all you want is to look for the rev21 boards as those are the best ones out there. For the 3700 usually a red box means its rev21 the yellow boxe means you need to check the upc to make sure. 37av is the same as a red box rev21.The major rev you need to stay away from is rev15, its reported... » Read More Where did you get this information? Don't spread false rumors please. On the netgear forums you can actually see people post pics of both pcbs with identical components. Nothing was changed except the outer box. THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME. 3700 v2 has not come out yet. Pretty much all you want is to look for the rev21 boards as those are the best ones out there. For the 3700 usually a red box means its rev21 the yellow boxe means you need to check the upc to make sure. 37av is the same as a red box rev21.The major rev you need to stay away from is rev15, its reported with the most major problems.http://forum1.netgear.com/showthread.php?t=52714&page;=1 « Show Less
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Dear Mustapha, Thank you for your inquiry. They are both great receivers. Based on amplifier quality I would probably give a slight edge to the Marantz AV8801. Let me know if I can be of any additional assistance! Regards, Eric Cohen World Wide Stereo
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There has been some confusion regarding warranty coverage for Pioneer receivers purchased on the web. Elite models are NOT covered. Non -Elite are. Amazon is an authorized reseller (for non-Elite products) http://www.pioneerusa.com/PUSA/FindStore/Pioneer+Home+Audio+Video+Authorized+Internet+Dealers.Just purchased the 9040 - looks like a great unit at a great price. The Eliite equivalent is $200 more.Vito
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According to the Pioneer website the output is actual slightly higher in the 1021. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1020-K http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1021-K
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1. As stated by Mr. Hanson, it is an older package. 2. The satellite speakers on the 600 have a mid/range radiator on top. Evidently their bookshelf answer to their bi-polar drivers of the BP series.3. Subwoofer on the 600 has a 250 watt amp where as the 60.6 only has a 150 watt.That being said, I own the 60.6 and I am extremely happy. I use them with a Denon AVR-2310. If you have a larger than 400 sq ft theater space I would consider a second or more powerful sub. But at the current $219 (which is hilarious as the sub itself sells for $299) I see the set going for, its kind of hard to go wrong. 1. As stated by Mr. Hanson, it is an older package. 2. The satellite speakers on the 600 have a mid/range radiator on top. Evidently their bookshelf answer to their bi-polar drivers of the BP series.3. Subwoofer on the 600 has a 250 watt amp where as the 60.6 only has a 150 watt.That being said, I own the 60.6 and I am extremely happy. I use them with a Denon AVR-2310. If you have a larger than 400 sq ft theater space I would consider a second or more powerful sub. But at the current $219 (which is hilarious as the sub itself sells for $299) I see the set going for,... » Read More 1. As stated by Mr. Hanson, it is an older package. 2. The satellite speakers on the 600 have a mid/range radiator on top. Evidently their bookshelf answer to their bi-polar drivers of the BP series.3. Subwoofer on the 600 has a 250 watt amp where as the 60.6 only has a 150 watt.That being said, I own the 60.6 and I am extremely happy. I use them with a Denon AVR-2310. If you have a larger than 400 sq ft theater space I would consider a second or more powerful sub. But at the current $219 (which is hilarious as the sub itself sells for $299) I see the set going for, its kind of hard to go wrong. « Show Less
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Thanks for the info. The VSX-9040 is only $6 more. Let us know how you like it if you get it. I haven't decided yet.
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Make SURE you have the seller test the ATSC tuner, as well as the satellite tuner before shipping out the receiver. I have read reviews that the ATSC tuner is bad, and I experienced the same thing when I got my first box. But once I requested a return, the seller tested BOTH tuners prior to shipping, and now I have an AWESOME box! The only setback is that I had to pay an additional $15 to ship the defective box back. But the seller did compensate me with a free additional remote control, so it was not a total loss. I am VERY HAPPY with my current Linkbox 8000HD Local. Like I said earlier, just make sure the seller tests everything prior to shipping. Make SURE you have the seller test the ATSC tuner, as well as the satellite tuner before shipping out the receiver. I have read reviews that the ATSC tuner is bad, and I experienced the same thing when I got my first box. But once I requested a return, the seller tested BOTH tuners prior to shipping, and now I have an AWESOME box! The only setback is that I had to pay an additional $15 to ship the defective box back. But the seller did compensate me with a free additional remote control, so it was not a total loss. I am VERY HAPPY with my current Linkbox 8000HD Local. Like I said earlier,... » Read More Make SURE you have the seller test the ATSC tuner, as well as the satellite tuner before shipping out the receiver. I have read reviews that the ATSC tuner is bad, and I experienced the same thing when I got my first box. But once I requested a return, the seller tested BOTH tuners prior to shipping, and now I have an AWESOME box! The only setback is that I had to pay an additional $15 to ship the defective box back. But the seller did compensate me with a free additional remote control, so it was not a total loss. I am VERY HAPPY with my current Linkbox 8000HD Local. Like I said earlier, just make sure the seller tests everything prior to shipping. « Show Less
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If you bought the same unit I did the 83/200 didn't provide the downscan and HDI promised. Had to buy the HDI transducer after the fact. I called Lowrance and asked them about this. The guy I talked to said some people don't want the HDI downscan feature of the unit. I said really? Why would you buy an HDI finder if you didn't really want it? Anyway, no. Hook up the new transponder to your unit and keep the old one if you plan on adding another finder to the bow on a trowling motor etc... I'm thinking of selling the 83/200 on e-bay or my local shopper for the ice fisherman. The angle of the transducer is also important. need to play with it a bit. great unit, enjoy!
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Thank you, I too am wonderng at the difference between the two. I've got an older Denon receiver(3803) and would rather not have to replace it. This model seems to fit the bill for me.
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Engadget seems to think the same thing: http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/23/tivo-hd-vs-series3/See side note at bottom before chart.
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I bought both the expensive one and the cheap one. There were mixed reviews on the cheapie, and I was purchasing these for my department, since the receivers were lost (easy to do when using other people's laptops). I wanted to make sure we had at least one that worked. Both worked. We are still using the cheapie one to this day! It works fine, but you need to be in close range. That is the only issue, is in a large conference room, you need to be close. The receiver to the expensive one was lost (again). I can't answer why the expensive one would be worth the price. However, in the reviews, some say the cheap one didn't work, and some said it worked perfectly. I bought both the expensive one and the cheap one. There were mixed reviews on the cheapie, and I was purchasing these for my department, since the receivers were lost (easy to do when using other people's laptops). I wanted to make sure we had at least one that worked. Both worked. We are still using the cheapie one to this day! It works fine, but you need to be in close range. That is the only issue, is in a large conference room, you need to be close. The receiver to the expensive one was lost (again). I can't answer why the expensive one would be worth the price. However, in the... » Read More I bought both the expensive one and the cheap one. There were mixed reviews on the cheapie, and I was purchasing these for my department, since the receivers were lost (easy to do when using other people's laptops). I wanted to make sure we had at least one that worked. Both worked. We are still using the cheapie one to this day! It works fine, but you need to be in close range. That is the only issue, is in a large conference room, you need to be close. The receiver to the expensive one was lost (again). I can't answer why the expensive one would be worth the price. However, in the reviews, some say the cheap one didn't work, and some said it worked perfectly. « Show Less